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Analyzing the rushing stats of each team in 2013

Miami's inability to attack the edge consistently and efficiently hurt the run game as a whole. And not being able to do so, falls on the crap online play.

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Sirspud said:
I don't blame the poor conversion of short yardage on just the running backs. If a line can block, a good fart could get my grandma to convert in short yardage. Far too often, our RB's were hit a yard or more before they even got to the original LOS. There were five men on the line, including Pouncey, who all failed to get any push and give the runner a chance. Unfortunately, neither Thomas nor Miller can get something out of nothing, but for that matter many RB's in the league can't either.
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When the guards are being pushed into the qbs lap, the center is far from the problem.
 
Sons of Shula said:
Even Seattle knows better. Stop sniffing Wilson's jock strap.

http://www.seattlepi.com/news/slideshow/Most-overrated-and-underrated-Seahawks-players-88727.php

Overrated

QB Russell Wilson

This is almost by definition, as a quarterback gets way too much credit when a team wins and way too much blame when they don’t. Still, Wilson’s numbers in 2013 weren’t exactly mind-blowing, and there were stretches during the season where he just didn’t look like a franchise quarterback.
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Good find.....seems a QB's own fan base and beat writers are often more critical of them than others teams fans.

Maybe it's the grass is always greener theory in play......who knows?

Some people are never happy!

When Tannehill has a complete team around him , then I will expect much more than what we got last year.
 
Fins1971 said:
Any article written by someone who never played the game and mentions the #7, #14 and #20 rated players in the league as all overrated is hog wash.

If you base you opinions on that trash article I feel sorry for you. The numbers above were voted on by the players who know who is real and who is overrated.
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Never a bias there ..... ;)

BTW, Sherman is fairly overrated as well. Another product of talent around him. Funny no one mentions the other two Pro Bowler's that play right behind him: Kam Chancellor and Earl Thomas.

Though, lemme guess, you're a Madden fanboy:

Top Quarterbacks

Peyton Manning Denver Broncos 98
Aaron Rodgers Green Bay Packers 98
Drew Brees New Orleans Saints 96
Russell Wilson Seattle Seahawks 93
Tom Brady New England Patriots 93

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Fins1971 said:
Only those who are jealous of Seattle's success.
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Corrected it for you. :hi5:
 
And Charlie Casserly

I do not consider Russell Wilson a Top-10 quarterback, let alone one who belongs in the top five. The Seahawks win because they have one of the NFL's best defenses and an outstanding running back in Marshawn Lynch. Wilson -- who I think is a good, but not elite, passer -- operates in an offense that takes a lot of pressure off him, meaning the Seahawks don't have to rely upon his arm to win games.

When evaluating players you always ask yourself how would that player perform with another team that is better than his.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kh19bHuTHxA

I have a great deal of respect for Wilson and he is a classy guy, but there is nothing there that is super natural or eye catching in what he does. 90% of his passes seem within 20 yards and they are almost all to a receiver that is WIDE open without a soul in sight. I only saw 2 throws that I would categorize as overly impressive at all. Top 10 he is most definitely not.

In contrast
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmA2isFb6uc

I'm sorry but I just see a different level in tough situations with RT and I think the kid has it.
 
As usual BlueFin, great post on a very insight full article. While I don't think it is possible to quantify down/distance/score/time situations into one overall stat, this metric does seem to give a much more representative appraisal of teams' running games than YPC or total yards.

BlueFin said:
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Many of you seem enamored with a QB like Wilson with such a great cast....yet are quick to down grade our own Bob Griese because of his elite supporting cast.....it really is baffling?

Do any of you Wilson admirers really think he would have led the 2013 Dolphins to great team success with the Major flaws that existed?
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Also a great point. I put Bob Griese in the same category as Joe Montana ... both great QB's who had the luxury of great teams filled with talent on both sides of the ball and under the guidance of great coaches who knew how to use it.

But, with that much going for you, it is hard to tell just how good you really are. Earl Morrall and Steve Young both also succeeded with those teams ... does the Wilson Nation also call Morrall and Young great QB's?

Full disclosure, I've been a fan of Wilson since his preseason as a rookie, and been very impressed with the guy overall. Still, it requires a very big eye patch to avoid seeing that he is surrounded by a good OL, great RB, and absolutely dominant defense. Their home field advantage isn't too shabby either.
 
Wilson's good but still has a ways to go to reach his full potential. In particular, he's been ghoulishly inconsistent on a week to week basis, IMO. See that Texans game, for instance. He was absolutely putrid against a floundering 2-14 team, but still won the game and therefore people just gloss over that one. Incidentally, that game featured one of the worst play-calls I've ever seen in my life, and it cost the Texans the game. Matt Schaub throwing a telegraphed screen pass back across his body with a defender all over it? Yeah, that's not going back for six, guys.

Now, three months from now someone will claim I said that Wilson is 'a putrid quarterback' when trying to score petty points in an argument. :lol:
 
Oh, one other thing, since we discussed that Seattle defense a bit. They did us a huge favor.

Our defense runs mostly zone and off-man coverages, while our division rivals run a lot more press coverage than we do. The NFL's emphasis on calling illegal contact and defensive holding every time they see it should help us, IMO.
 
Sons of Shula said:
Even Seattle knows better. Stop sniffing Wilson's jock strap.

http://www.seattlepi.com/news/slideshow/Most-overrated-and-underrated-Seahawks-players-88727.php

Overrated

QB Russell Wilson

This is almost by definition, as a quarterback gets way too much credit when a team wins and way too much blame when they don’t. Still, Wilson’s numbers in 2013 weren’t exactly mind-blowing, and there were stretches during the season where he just didn’t look like a franchise quarterback.
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So according to that article, Wilson is overrated, because QB's are overrated by definition, and because the writer doesn't know which QB stats to measure? Legit source, dude!
 
J. David Wannyheimer said:
Oh, one other thing, since we discussed that Seattle defense a bit. They did us a huge favor.

Our defense runs mostly zone and off-man coverages, while our division rivals run a lot more press coverage than we do. The NFL's emphasis on calling illegal contact and defensive holding every time they see it should help us, IMO.
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To quote Ms. Brady,

"Do you love to see the defense’s physicality, even though it might go beyond what’s acceptable?

Brady: Yeah, they are a physical defense. I think all of those guys are veterans. They know how to get away with certain plays. Like holding, for example – it happens every play, so if you look close enough you’re going to find holding. There is an edge that you can always push it to. If you look at the offensive line, there’s holding on every play. That’s just the way football is. You’ve just got to do it in a way where the refs don’t see it and don’t call it. But that same thing goes for the defensive backfield. If there is a way to gain leverage on a particular route, then you’re going to use it. The veterans know how to do it better; they know right where the limit is."

Is this basically what you're talking about?
 
PhinFan1968 said:
To quote Ms. Brady,

"Do you love to see the defense’s physicality, even though it might go beyond what’s acceptable?

Brady: Yeah, they are a physical defense. I think all of those guys are veterans. They know how to get away with certain plays. Like holding, for example – it happens every play, so if you look close enough you’re going to find holding. There is an edge that you can always push it to. If you look at the offensive line, there’s holding on every play. That’s just the way football is. You’ve just got to do it in a way where the refs don’t see it and don’t call it. But that same thing goes for the defensive backfield. If there is a way to gain leverage on a particular route, then you’re going to use it. The veterans know how to do it better; they know right where the limit is."

Is this basically what you're talking about?
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No. Referring to the fact that the NFL head of officiating has made it a point to instruct all NFL officials to look more aggressively for defensive holding and illegal contact in the defensive backfield, and to call them all the time, rather than eating their flags.
 
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