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Andrew Mcdonald backs Turner and the Dolphins

This is actually a pretty big development. One of the alleged victims of the report has come out and denied there being an issue. Also sounds like Mr. Wells had his story already decided before even talking to Andrew McDonald, that is definitely a head scratcher. If Mr. Wells embellished the results in the matter involving McDonald, makes you wonder if there are any other inaccuracies or embellishments in the report.
 
The Wells Report is being questioned by someone other that Richie Incognito? Say it ain't so.

However, there is a list of reasons he would do so.
Like for starters he would like his new team to know he is not gay (since he is not).
Anyway, the stuff in the report is not good regardless.

A guy like that, further, does not need any questions surrounding him. He just wants to play.
 
The issues are all with the O-line. The treatment of Martin, the racist slurs on the Asian assistant trainer, the homophobic act/slurs on McDonald which he personally participated in. Turner also faces possible suspension for lying to Ted Wells re the Judas excuse (anti-snitching) - he even lectured the team on the subject. He selected Incognito to be his O-line team leader. He encouraged Incognito to toughen Martin up with some tough love (cough bullying) child welcome to candy shop, sensitive 2nd round draft pick meet your sociopath thug master/mentor/buddy. His O-line players also appear to have drug related issues. The strip club O-line "team meetings" to prepare for big games. Not to mention his other little problem - the actual bad play of the O-line that led to failure to protect the QB.
I'd say that there aren't more than 50 good reasons to fire Jim Turner, now that his old Texas A & M buddy and boss, Mike Sherman was hoisted on his own petard.
The failure in firing Turner has the stench of negotiated settlement and Dawn Aponte meeting with his attorney. Go Dawn!!
 
Has anyone considered that this is a practice squad player that doesn't want to be blackballed?

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Since the season ended, I have been amazed he still has a job. Completely agree.

Bingo!!!

I'm a Game****s fan and we had a linebacker firmly committed that was going to take official visits to other schools. His reasoning...you never know who you'll come across in the future and best not to burn bridges. He promised those coaches that he would visit their campus and he remained true to their word. It's the same reasoning the assistant trainer didn't want to talk...didn't want to burn bridges.

Maybe Turner somehow coaches in the league again and McDonald lands on that team.


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Glad to hear one of the role players in this drama speaking up. l'm sure at some point we will hear from Jerry and Pouncey.
 
On a side note, is anyone else amazed that Turner is still with the team? It's been a day since the report dropped. I thought he would be gone by the morning...

I think the league and the Dolphins are working on a simultaneous response to this report. Meaning that on the same day you could see player suspensions, Turner losing his job and any team sanctions.
 
Don't know what to think about this. Even if he was personally Ok with it, I still find their behavior as characterized reprehensible.

The Japanese Trainer still got the worst of it and I doubt very much he was OK with the treatment he received.


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Exactly. It doesn't really matter if McDonald thought it was okay. There's acceptable behavior and unacceptable behavior.
 
Has anyone considered that this is a practice squad player that doesn't want to be blackballed?

Exactly why how the victim feels -- or says he or she feels -- is not the only consideration and not even the chief consideration in these kinds of cases.
 
Exactly why how the victim feels -- or says he or she feels -- is not the only consideration and not even the chief consideration in these kinds of cases.

It matters for a few reasons..no one perceives the bullying as intently and intensely as the supposed victim. It would be like speaking to some witnesses on the corner of a crash you were involved in to assess culpability, and the other driver, but not you. Beyond that, the fact that he wasn't even consulted for confirmation impugns the validity of the report and calls into question the impartiality of the single investigator. Now I'm not asserting that his finding aren't true, but I'd have been a lot more comfortable with a bi-racial cross section of inside and outside NFL investigators publishing a consensus conclusion rather than any one individual whether he's black like Martin or a paisano like Richie. Beyond that, I find troubling that Martin was quick to be "interviewed" by an alumni of his parents Harvard Law School yet refused to be likewise interviewed by the Union which was not necessarily going in having one players interests favored over the other. To me his refusal was telling and part of a contrived campaign. Now I'm not saying that some of Wells finding aren't accurate or that those responsible aren't deserving of condemnation and penalty; all I'm contending is that like you, me and everyone else, we're all shaped by nature and nurture and as such have our own either conscious or subconscious biases that amalgamate into our perceptive sets. As a result, I wanted a committee to investigate, determine, conclude and recommend, not a single individual. It's like being damned and convicted of a heinous crime by a single juror. And I stand by that conviction.
 
It matters for a few reasons..no one perceives the bullying as intently and intensely as the supposed victim. It would be like speaking to some witnesses on the corner of a crash you were involved in to assess culpability, and the other driver, but not you. Beyond that, the fact that he wasn't even consulted for confirmation impugns the validity of the report and calls into question the impartiality of the single investigator.

No, it really doesn't. Does the report say that Player A was deeply offended by what happened? Unless I'm mistaken, it does not. It merely describes what happens. And what happened, regardless of how McDonald felt about it, is unacceptable behavior in the workplace. This is not a criminal case where the battered wife can refuse to press charges so the police are powerless to do anything. Workplace standards do not exist only within the perception of the behavior by the "victim", and for good reason.

Also, if you're going to call into question the integrity of the investigator, where is your incredulity when it comes to McDonald's statement? Does he not -- as a practice squad player hanging on for dear life to a job -- have an incentive to not be a pseudo plaintiff in this matter?

Now I'm not asserting that his finding aren't true, but I'd have been a lot more comfortable with a bi-racial cross section of inside and outside NFL investigators publishing a consensus conclusion rather than any one individual whether he's black like Martin or a paisano like Richie.

It's discriminatory to suggest that someone is more able to judge one of these matters because of their race because it implies others are less able to judge it because of their race. The law is clear not to allow people to go down that route, and for good reason. I don't think you meant it this way but it reminds me of the people who thought that the initial district court ruling in Hollingsworth v. Perry should have been thrown out because the judge in the case was gay.

Beyond that, I find troubling that Martin was quick to be "interviewed" by an alumni of his parents Harvard Law School yet refused to be likewise interviewed by the Union which was not necessarily going in having one players interests favored over the other. To me his refusal was telling and part of a contrived campaign.

I strongly disagree that the player's union was not "necessarily" going to favor one players' interest over the other. The NFLPA represents every player in the Dolphins locker room. Yes, that means they represent Martin, but it also represents every player that he might theoretically accuse. It's a fundamental conflict of interest. They never should have launched an investigation in the first place.

Now I'm not saying that some of Wells finding aren't accurate or that those responsible aren't deserving of condemnation and penalty; all I'm contending is that like you, me and everyone else, we're all shaped by nature and nurture and as such have our own either conscious or subconscious biases that amalgamate into our perceptive sets. As a result, I wanted a committee to investigate, determine, conclude and recommend, not a single individual. And I stand by that conviction.

Wells led the investigation, but wasn't he helped by a team of investigators?
 
No, it really doesn't. Does the report say that Player A was deeply offended by what happened? Unless I'm mistaken, it does not. It merely describes what happens. And what happened, regardless of how McDonald felt about it, is unacceptable behavior in the workplace. This is not a criminal case where the battered wife can refuse to press charges so the police are powerless to do anything. Workplace standards do not exist only within the perception of the behavior by the "victim", and for good reason.

Also, if you're going to call into question the integrity of the investigator, where is your incredulity when it comes to McDonald's statement? Does he not -- as a practice squad player hanging on for dear life to a job -- have an incentive to not be a pseudo plaintiff in this matter?



It's discriminatory to suggest that someone is more able to judge one of these matters because of their race because it implies others are less able to judge it because of their race. The law is clear not to allow people to go down that route, and for good reason. I don't think you meant it this way but it reminds me of the people who thought that the initial district court ruling in Hollingsworth v. Perry should have been thrown out because the judge in the case was gay.



I strongly disagree that the player's union was not "necessarily" going to favor one players' interest over the other. The NFLPA represents every player in the Dolphins locker room. Yes, that means they represent Martin, but it also represents every player that he might theoretically accuse. It's a fundamental conflict of interest. They never should have launched an investigation in the first place.



Wells led the investigation, but wasn't he helped by a team of investigators?
I'm reminded of a line of cars breaking the speed limit. Now the posted speed limit is 70, and just because the guy in front of you is going 80 and the guy in front of him is going 80, doesn't mean it's ok for them or you to go 80. Now all of you might get away with it, but if a cop pulls you over, you're getting a ticket. the law was posted. you ignored it. just because group think made you think it was ok, it still isn't.
 
You also have to realize McDonald is a back-up linemand that can be cut at the drop of the hat. There is an agenda behind his backing of Miami...
 
The Wells Report is going to result in new behavior guidelines for NFL players, regardless of whether or not McDonald felt harassed. This is a perfect pretext for the league to foist those guidelines on the NFLPA with minimal protest.

Not because McDonald was or was not offended, but because the door is now open for future Jonathan Martins and the NFL needs to put a stop to this fast.


**** ted wells..
 
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