Any chance Philbin & Ireland survive this?

[NCFINFAN13]

Dave Hyde is saying Philbin really did have no idea. Wow.



If they were putting on a good public front -- Martin for whatever reason -- and Incognito was harassing him privately? I can't blame the staff for that.

But we don't know yet that's the case. Let the truth come out. All of it.

Yeah, If Martin kept it to himself, Philbin is in the clear, but wow .... you'd think that with all the struggles Martin was having, somebody would have been trying to figure out what was up with kid.

I'm trying not to jump the gun.

 

[Dmarino110]

Gruden would be awesome. Team needs some Discipline and Leadership stat. Philbin is not in charge.

explain how gruden would be awesome. How many years did he coach and in those years how many times did he get to the playoffs. Now look at cowher and ask the same questions. Who comes out on top now?





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[MD]

This is not true. They are grown men. If there was an issue you go to the Coach you don't expect him to solve it for you. And he can't read minds. I've read nothing but your crap speculation all morning.

As a leader of Marines I knew everything about them. As close as we were if something was amiss it didn't get past me. Any successful team practices these simple leadership principals.

You are aware of the ignore button. Feel free to use it.

 

[LANGER72]

What's beyond amazing to me is that the team (read: Ireland and Philbin) evidently knew about serious mental illness in Martin and still depended on him to start at tackle.

Why, for the life of me, do you bend over and try to coddle a player who is perhaps the worst at his position in the NFL? Martin had to look up to see mediocre, he was that bad.

The ONLY reason is hubris: IRELAND spent a second round pick on him and had to act like it was worth it.

At the very least, Martin should not have been starting, with these issues. He SHOULD have been on inactive or PUP getting help.

Pair a mentally hurt Martin w. passive-aggressive issues (saving voicemails and texts and now feeding them to the media, etc. Classic P-A actions) and a mentally challenged Incognito (sadistic streak, medicating) and you have a recipe for DISASTER.

And IRELAND depended on both to start. That was his idea of talent acquisition.

Here's a clue: IF THE PLAYER ISN'T MENTALLY STRONG, he can't be counted on, period.

The front office is to blame, without question.

LD

Perfectly stated. Thank you

 

[ChambersWI]

I find that hard to believe, but if it's true it really shows how clueless this organization is.

It all comes down to whether or not Martin told any coaches, and if he did, who did he tell and why did it just end at him. Let's say it was either of our OL coaches. Why didn't Jim Taylor or Chris Mosley report it? Of if he told Mike Sherman why didn't he tell Joe Philbin. That's the real question. If Philbin/Ireland didn't know why didn't they?

 

[MD]

So with that logic, Bill Billicheat should have been fired over the Aaron Hernandez case???

Just playing devil's advocate here.

Very fair point but the difference is that Hernandez' behavior was outside the organization. This was going on between members of the same organization.

 

[finfanaz]

Very fair point but the difference is that Hernandez' behavior was outside the organization. This was going on between members of the same organization.

Yeah that makes it 10x worse than the Hernandez situation and Philbin should be fired for this. Good point. /s

 

[MD]

Yeah that makes it 10x worse than the Hernandez situation and Philbin should be fired for this. Good point. /s

You're comparing apples and oranges.

 

[J. David Wannyheimer]

As a leader of Marines I knew everything about them. As close as we were if something was amiss it didn't get past me. Any successful team practices these simple leadership principals.

You are aware of the ignore button. Feel free to use it.

NFL teams aren't the marines, and Joe Philbin isn't a mind reader.

I got serious questions about what's going on here, but if your position is seriously that Philbin should have magically known that Richie was sending abusive texts to Martin -- if Martin never told him -- then I don't even understand that.

 

[finfanaz]

As a leader of Marines I knew everything about them. As close as we were if something was amiss it didn't get past me. Any successful team practices these simple leadership principals.

You are aware of the ignore button. Feel free to use it.

Please don't compare being a leader of men going into battle and being a leader of men playing a game.

Let alone a locker room of 53 millionaires compared to a squad of regular dudes fighting for their lives. I think that former group might be a little more "in tune" than a pro football team.

 

[MD]

NFL teams aren't the marines, and Joe Philbin isn't a mind reader.

I got serious questions about what's going on here, but if your position is seriously that Philbin should have magically known that Richie was sending abusive texts to Martin -- if Martin never told him -- then I don't even understand that.

You don't think Philbin should have picked up in Martin's behavior? If Martin was distraught there is no way Philbin shouldn't have know there was a problem?

Although it's speculation, Martin allegedly told Philbin in OTAs. But if he didn't again, how could Philbin have missed Martin's behavior?

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Please don't compare being a leader of men going into battle and being a leader of men playing a game.

Let alone a locker room of 53 millionaires compared to a squad of regular dudes fighting for their lives. I think that former group might be a little more "in tune" than a pro football team.

Not trying to compare them but they are similar in organizational breakdown. I find it hard to believe that Philbin couldn't have known.

 

[finfanaz]

You don't think Philbin should have picked up in Martin's behavior? If Martin was distraught there is no way Philbin shouldn't have know there was a problem?

Although it's speculation, Martin allegedly told Philbin in OTAs. But if he didn't again, how could Philbin have missed Martin's behavior?

You don't even know if Martin was behaving oddly. This could have been a private incident. More speculation, on top of more speculation.

 

[ONole1]

It all comes down to whether or not Martin told any coaches, and if he did, who did he tell and why did it just end at him. Let's say it was either of our OL coaches. Why didn't Jim Taylor or Chris Mosley report it? Of if he told Mike Sherman why didn't he tell Joe Philbin. That's the real question. If Philbin/Ireland didn't know why didn't they?

It's been reported he went to Philbin. However, like Brian Billik said this morning a caoch has to know the pulse of the locker room. The players, coaches, equipment manager, janitor, trainer, someone had to know and if they didn't tell Philbin that is a HUGE issue and a statement about the locker room and the relationship between coach and players.

 

[dolfan91]

What's beyond amazing to me is that the team (read: Ireland and Philbin) evidently knew about serious mental illness in Martin and still depended on him to start at tackle.

Why, for the life of me, do you bend over and try to coddle a player who is perhaps the worst at his position in the NFL? Martin had to look up to see mediocre, he was that bad.

The ONLY reason is hubris: IRELAND spent a second round pick on him and had to act like it was worth it.

At the very least, Martin should not have been starting, with these issues. He SHOULD have been on inactive or PUP getting help.

Pair a mentally hurt Martin w. passive-aggressive issues (saving voicemails and texts and now feeding them to the media, etc. Classic P-A actions) and a mentally challenged Incognito (sadistic streak, medicating) and you have a recipe for DISASTER.

And IRELAND depended on both to start. That was his idea of talent acquisition.

Here's a clue: IF THE PLAYER ISN'T MENTALLY STRONG, he can't be counted on, period.

The front office is to blame, without question.

LD

Ireland is gone IMO. Too many incidences have occurred under his watch.

 

[J. David Wannyheimer]

You don't think Philbin should have picked up in Martin's behavior? If Martin was distraught there is no way Philbin shouldn't have know there was a problem?

Although it's speculation, Martin allegedly told Philbin in OTAs. But if he didn't again, how could Philbin have missed Martin's behavior?

As for the meeting with Philbin in OTAs, that's the one thing that really disturbs me. But I don't know what was said at that meeting. The team genuinely seems surprised to learn of these voicemails and texts, so I am thinking maybe he never mentioned that to Joe.

But as for 'not picking up on his behavior,' come on. The two of them were hanging out together and all smiles from what I have heard. Blame Joe for things it is fair to blame him for. IMO there are more than enough of those things to go around. Failure to read minds is not one of them.