Are you sold on Flynn?

[cltchperf]

moore is decent but not that good. he couldn't cut it against good teams, and his lack of arm strength and accuracy bothers me. His accuracy is spotty, I remember TDs missed because of his lack of touch dropping passes into WRs with coverage around and how bout that loss against the patriots? miami might have won, but his lack of arm strength hurt them..there was a nice play action pass play and the WR has a few steps deep and shouldve been a TD, but moore underthrows and the ball lobs in the air only to be intercepted..hes don't that a couple of times in games. decent game manager, good back up but nothing more. Flynn has potential and i think philbin will have a good idea if flynn is the real deal or not. if he don't got for flynn then thats a sign that hes not the real deal and thats fine, if he does then why not try it. The think that flynn seems to have atleast on moore already is a better arm..he was launching deep passes and they werent floating but zipping to the WRs in tight spots and his accuracy looked good throwing the ball into some tight spots. How he goes from there as a starter though with not much experience is the big question but, im fine with it if philbin believes in him

 

[landshark44]

nobody in the league is more qualified to pass judgement on Matt Flynn than Philbin......

if he wants to tie his career to Flynn then I support him 100%

 

[daniel3]

From what we've seen of both of them, there really isn't much of an incentive to choose Matt Flynn over Matt Moore. If Philbin feels more comfortable with Flynn, then that is fine, but it seems more prudent that we draft a QB rather than investing in Flynn. This creates a lot less tension, consumes less resources, and gives insurance against our investments.

 

[Kinzua]

He's proven it more than Luck and RG3.

They were better in college, sure, but Flynn has shown he can play well in the NFL

He's played 2 games for a team with a potent offense. How does that show he can do anything more than pinch-hit for Rodgers on occasion?

Kolb looked great those 2 or 3 games he started for McNabb in 2009 or 2010 which Philly parlayed into a major fleecing of the Cards in 2011. So did Billy Volek when he was a sub for McNair in Tennessee. At least if Flynn is signed as FA, the Fins won't be out draft picks just $$$.

 

[ahmilli]

Im not 100% sold on Flynn, but if you can throw 6 TDs for 480 yards against a good Lions defense, that shows you something! I didn't see Moore do that lol. Heck not even Rodgers has done that.

 

[VandyLaw]

No great insight here, but this morning it occurred to me that Tom Brady was a "6th round talent" according to the NFL braintrust. And if Bledsoe never gets injured, seems to me there's a good chance that Brady would have found himself in the same position that Flynn has been in -- holding the clipboard behind a talented NFL QB. After all, when Brady broke out it wasn't because he was viewed as being supremely gifted and the inevitable heir apparent. Even after the first two Super Bowl wins I don't know that anyone ever said, "There's a guy that will go for 5,000+ yards someday." Rather, it was his decision-making, accuracy, grit and intangibles that made him a winner and ousted Bledsoe, who certainly seemed like a superior passer to me at the time.

Before this morning, some posters have had me feeling wary about Flynn with this line of logic: "He's a 7th round talent playing on a loaded team," and (as recently stated by none other than Dan Marino), "there's a reason some guys are backups." Brady was a 6th round talent. Brady was a backup, and but for injury, might have remained so for at least as long as Flynn has been a backup. That's certainly not to say Flynn=Brady. I'm just suggesting that the combination of being a late round draft pick and a backup to a great NFL QB isn't some automatic kiss of death.

I'd be interested in our resident draft experts' respective takes on this question: If Flynn was going into the draft this year, where would he be slotted? I ask because I hear smarts, pocket poise, compact release, short range accuracy and touch listed as some of his strengths. The book seems to be that he has good size but lacks ideal height. The biggest knock seems to be questions concerning arm strength and consistency on deep passes. I remember hearing a lot of the same about Andy Dalton. Would Dalton's success last year have any impact on Flynn's draft grade if he were coming out today? It seems that up and coming NFL coaches and evaluators, like Jay Gruden, keep repeating that arm strength is overemphasized, and that accuracy, particularly the ability to hit receivers in stride, is more crucial to success. I'm just wondering if we aren't throwing out the "7th round talent" thing a little too casually. My bottom line is that if Philbin is willing to hitch his wagon to Flynn, then I'm along for the ride.

 

[MexDolfan]

I would need to see more before I'm sold on Matt Flynn. However, Joe Philbin saw him in practice every day. If the Dolphins sign him you have to give Joe the benefit of doubt.

I'm on that line too, but I'm resilient to give up on Chad Henne.

Don't get me wrong, before everyone starts calling me idiot, let me put some facts that might be useful to have in mind.

- Chad Henne has proved he can throw the ball in this league, placing rainbows of 60+ yards from time to time.
- Dolphins changed OC each of the last three seasons, giving poor evolution on him.
- The mayor concern on Henne is he can force ints close to the sideline, mostly because he lacks of touch in middle range throws.
- The guy put above 100% of him this season when his o-line looked like paper people and WR dropped passes like hot potatoes.

Are you sure that Matt Flynn can do it better?
We know nothing about Matt Flynn at most situations, his resume includes just 2 starts. TWO, DOS, DEUX, II.
Chad Henne has 31 starts. You can't go and buy experience at any store.

So unless your name is Joe Philbin, who knows everything on him after seeing him for two seasons, it's unfair to ask for a new QB when the guy who wore the Dolphins' jersey has the experience and could serve well under WCO.

I'm not saying Chad is the solution, but Philbin should give him a try before leaving Chad to become a free agent.

 

[MexDolfan]

No great insight here, but this morning it occurred to me that Tom Brady was a "6th round talent" according to the NFL braintrust. And if Bledsoe never gets injured, seems to me there's a good chance that Brady would have found himself in the same position that Flynn has been in -- holding the clipboard behind a talented NFL QB. After all, when Brady broke out it wasn't because he was viewed as being supremely gifted and the inevitable heir apparent. Even after the first two Super Bowl wins I don't know that anyone ever said, "There's a guy that will go for 5,000+ yards someday." Rather, it was his decision-making, accuracy, grit and intangibles that made him a winner and ousted Bledsoe, who certainly seemed like a superior passer to me at the time.

Before this morning, some posters have had me feeling wary about Flynn with this line of logic: "He's a 7th round talent playing on a loaded team," and (as recently stated by none other than Dan Marino), "there's a reason some guys are backups." Brady was a 6th round talent. Brady was a backup, and but for injury, might have remained so for at least as long as Flynn has been a backup. That's certainly not to say Flynn=Brady. I'm just suggesting that the combination of being a late round draft pick and a backup to a great NFL QB isn't some automatic kiss of death.

I'd be interested in our resident draft experts' respective takes on this question: If Flynn was going into the draft this year, where would he be slotted? I ask because I hear smarts, pocket poise, compact release, short range accuracy and touch listed as some of his strengths. The book seems to be that he has good size but lacks ideal height. The biggest knock seems to be questions concerning arm strength and consistency on deep passes. I remember hearing a lot of the same about Andy Dalton. Would Dalton's success last year have any impact on Flynn's draft grade if he were coming out today? It seems that up and coming NFL coaches and evaluators, like Jay Gruden, keep repeating that arm strength is overemphasized, and that accuracy, particularly the ability to hit receivers in stride, is more crucial to success. I'm just wondering if we aren't throwing out the "7th round talent" thing a little too casually. My bottom line is that if Philbin is willing to hitch his wagon to Flynn, then I'm along for the ride.

If Chad Henne was going into the draft this year, where would he be slotted?

 

[MexDolfan]

I pretty confident that in the worst case, Flynn is a decent Qb, and best case he could be top 10. But, what i'm wondering is, if Philbin did what he did with Flynn and was at least part of the developpement of Rodgers, i'm wondering what he could with an RG3, who is more talented than the too other. Now that would be shooting for the stars.

Let's make an important difference among distinct style of players.

Matt Flynn like Aaron Rodgers & Chad Pennington are pocket passers committed to mid-range passes and can make the big throw with frequency.

RG3 belongs to the running passer style, where guys Tim Tebow, Alex Smith or Cameron Newton have probed they can shine, but require different offensive strategies.

 

[SamIam]

Honestly iam not sold yet, have watched him 2 times and in both games came away like he is good but not great, his arm strength bothers me a bit, he is a accurate and all but the arm isn't there.

He reminds me alot of colt McCoy, really put McCoy in green bay and he will look good. A franchise qb to me is one who can make all the throws specially the deep ball.

Having said all that, I will be more than happy to be proven wrong

 

[Vontae21]

I'm on that line too, but I'm resilient to give up on Chad Henne.

Don't get me wrong, before everyone starts calling me idiot, let me put some facts that might be useful to have in mind.

- Chad Henne has proved he can throw the ball in this league, placing rainbows of 60+ yards from time to time.
- Dolphins changed OC each of the last three seasons, giving poor evolution on him.
- The mayor concern on Henne is he can force ints close to the sideline, mostly because he lacks of touch in middle range throws.
- The guy put above 100% of him this season when his o-line looked like paper people and WR dropped passes like hot potatoes.

Are you sure that Matt Flynn can do it better?
We know nothing about Matt Flynn at most situations, his resume includes just 2 starts. TWO, DOS, DEUX, II.
Chad Henne has 31 starts. You can't go and buy experience at any store.

So unless your name is Joe Philbin, who knows everything on him after seeing him for two seasons, it's unfair to ask for a new QB when the guy who wore the Dolphins' jersey has the experience and could serve well under WCO.

I'm not saying Chad is the solution, but Philbin should give him a try before leaving Chad to become a free agent.

and henne is horrible in the redzone. pass...

 

[jtoomuch]

nobody in the league is more qualified to pass judgement on Matt Flynn than Philbin......

if he wants to tie his career to Flynn then I support him 100%

​This does make sense, but I would like to see Moore get a fair shot to earn the job.

 

[Fin Thirteen]

nobody in the league is more qualified to pass judgement on Matt Flynn than Philbin......

if he wants to tie his career to Flynn then I support him 100%

I don't think it's quite as straightforward as that. Ross and Ireland want a QB. Maybe Philbin wouldn't have taken a QB this offseason but is being asked to go pick the best available guy in 2012. Maybe Ross/Ireland have told him "now that you're here, can you go and get us Flynn please".

If either of those were the case - and I have no idea if they are or not - it's obvious that Philbin could still resist the idea, if he didn't believe in Flynn.

But, I'm simply making the point that just because Philbin goes out and gets him (and ties his immediate success to him to a degree) doesn't mean he thinks Flynn is the second coming. I think you can take it for granted that Philbin thinks Flynn is good if we sign him. I don't think you can take it for granted that it means Flynn is a great QB or a franchise QB in the making. He may have just been BPA in a year the Fins fraternity is done with waiting for a QB to fall from the skies.

 

[PogiRo]

Yeah, because a QB who went 6-3 in his last 9 games QB'ing a team that hadn't won a game in 7 before that, and who has also built chemistry and developed into a leader of this offense, couldn't possibly play better than a guy who has looked pretty good in a couple spots with the most talented offense in the league.

The attitude is a little unnecessary, bud.

He was surrounded by a ton of talent, but at the same time Aaron Rodgers is too. There's plenty of people saying that the offense doesn't skip a beat when Flynn steps in for the NFL MVP. How attractive does it sound to say "we're getting a guy that has played just as well as Aaron Rodgers when he was needed to play"? Now, is he Aaron Rodgers? Probably not. But that notion is out there. Point is, there's different ways you can spin both Flynn's and Moore's scenarios to argue which one is a better option.

Can we win with Moore? Sure, he's shown that much so far. Don't think I said he can't possibly be better than Flynn, like you're trying to make it seem I said. Now, can we be great high octane offense with Moore? Different strokes for different folks, but I'd put my money with Flynn, if Philbin endorses the move.

 

[Sirspud]

The attitude is a little unnecessary, bud.

He was surrounded by a ton of talent, but at the same time Aaron Rodgers is too. There's plenty of people saying that the offense doesn't skip a beat when Flynn steps in for the NFL MVP. How attractive does it sound to say "we're getting a guy that has played just as well as Aaron Rodgers when he was needed to play"? Now, is he Aaron Rodgers? Probably not. But that notion is out there. Point is, there's different ways you can spin both Flynn's and Moore's scenarios to argue which one is a better option.

Can we win with Moore? Sure, he's shown that much so far. Don't think I said he can't possibly be better than Flynn, like you're trying to make it seem I said. Now, can we be great high octane offense with Moore? Different strokes for different folks, but I'd put my money with Flynn, if Philbin endorses the move.

It's a nice argument to say that a guy stepped in for a top flight QB and the team didn't miss a beat, but unfortunately there have been dozens of times in NFL history when backups step in and do well over a short stretch in a good offense, only to fizzle out when given a chance to lead a team.