Baldy's break down of Tua for preseason raiders game
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28 second mark.
Anyone who thinks that Bridgewater wasn't to blame for the safety, take a look at how fast an ELITE QB can process info.
Shows up in the stat sheet as a negative (incompletion) but that was anything but. Could've ruined the drive if he takes a sack or even worse forced a bad throw.
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Tua has also learned to take an elongated stide right before the last step before his hitch..Skylar is doing that exact same elongated stride in the back of the drop as well.
I think it’s helping him see the field better.
Tua was 6/8 but he played like someone who had been 16/16 with 200 yards and 3 TD's.
He was clearly the best player on the field when he was on the field.
He was clearly the best player on the field when he was on the field.
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He did look different out there ghost
No Hill or Waddle means I don’t give a **** what Tua did or didn’t do.
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Little help ?
Not sure, but how many yards did we have firsts half ?
25 ?
30 ?
36 / 40-50 ????
Just wondering
Not sure, but how many yards did we have firsts half ?
25 ?
30 ?
36 / 40-50 ????
Just wondering
I posted this in the club regarding Baldy's breakdown:
Tua has always been good (relative to other young QBs) at not being the reason you lose. He occasionally made that WTF! throw, but every QB does that and young QBs do it a ton. People say that wins and losses aren't a QB stat and that can be true to an extent. Good evaluation involves teasing out what individual parts of the team are doing from the result. That helps you see if the wins and losses are on the QB or on other parts of the team. QBs that make good decisions and avoid the costly mistakes are one of the biggest factors in wins and losses, even more than the QBs that make that impressive play that seemingly wins the game on his own.
I want Tua to take that next step in terms of decision-making and game/team management. Brady was a master at that. Physically and arm talent-wise Brady was never special. He was good, but what made him special (I'm ignoring the cheating here) was his drive and how consistently he made right play. Probably +80% of the time it was just a check down. That was so maddening to opponents. Defense is often about waiting for the mistake (bend but don't break) or trying to rush the QB into making the mistake (pressure defenses). And reality is that every QB makes mistakes. Brady was better than most at avoiding those mistakes. And usually with a solid team around him, he rode that to a GOAT level career. Brady was a big part of those wins and losses and usually it wasn't due to making "wow" throws or physical plays. It was due to making the right decisions and avoiding mistakes.
Now it's unfair to expect Tua to have a Brady-like command of the offense at this stage (Brady certainly didn't in the first year in his system), but Tua was actually very impressive in his short stint against the Raiders in doing exactly that. He didn't make any "wow" throws or physical plays that impress casual fans. So if you "didn't see it" with Tua, nothing there is going to change your mind. But that Baldy breakdown showed him going through multiple progressions and making the right decision every time. It was just a short stint, but that decision-making (and the pass pro that gave him time) are what have me excited about Tua this season.
I was pretty high on Brady coming out. And when so many on the message boards were saying Brady wasn't anything special after being carried to the SB win that first season, I was saying, "watch out, this guys is good b/c he's avoiding those young QB mistakes". Now for the idiots that can't understand evaluation, I am not saying Tua is or will be Brady. But I am saying that one of Brady's best abilities was his decision-making and he displayed that early on. And Tua is starting to show similar development in the same area.
I'm also not saying that Tua can't make "wow" throws himself. He is one of the most accurate passers I've ever seen. He's not the guy that can throw 70 yards from his knees, but I'd put his overall arm talent up against any QB in the league. But "wow" plays are always going to be a relatively small part of the game (at most 10%). If your QB is making mostly right decisions in that other 90% of the game, you're going to win a ton of games. And if you get a long window where your QB is healthy and the team around his is good enough then odds are some of those will be SBs. That's not a guarantee or a prediction. Tua still has to show he can stay healthy along with developing the rest of his game. It's just an obvious observation that good decision-making is one of the most impactful QB traits for long-term NFL success. An obvious observation that most media and fans don't understand enough to see.
Tua has always been good (relative to other young QBs) at not being the reason you lose. He occasionally made that WTF! throw, but every QB does that and young QBs do it a ton. People say that wins and losses aren't a QB stat and that can be true to an extent. Good evaluation involves teasing out what individual parts of the team are doing from the result. That helps you see if the wins and losses are on the QB or on other parts of the team. QBs that make good decisions and avoid the costly mistakes are one of the biggest factors in wins and losses, even more than the QBs that make that impressive play that seemingly wins the game on his own.
I want Tua to take that next step in terms of decision-making and game/team management. Brady was a master at that. Physically and arm talent-wise Brady was never special. He was good, but what made him special (I'm ignoring the cheating here) was his drive and how consistently he made right play. Probably +80% of the time it was just a check down. That was so maddening to opponents. Defense is often about waiting for the mistake (bend but don't break) or trying to rush the QB into making the mistake (pressure defenses). And reality is that every QB makes mistakes. Brady was better than most at avoiding those mistakes. And usually with a solid team around him, he rode that to a GOAT level career. Brady was a big part of those wins and losses and usually it wasn't due to making "wow" throws or physical plays. It was due to making the right decisions and avoiding mistakes.
Now it's unfair to expect Tua to have a Brady-like command of the offense at this stage (Brady certainly didn't in the first year in his system), but Tua was actually very impressive in his short stint against the Raiders in doing exactly that. He didn't make any "wow" throws or physical plays that impress casual fans. So if you "didn't see it" with Tua, nothing there is going to change your mind. But that Baldy breakdown showed him going through multiple progressions and making the right decision every time. It was just a short stint, but that decision-making (and the pass pro that gave him time) are what have me excited about Tua this season.
I was pretty high on Brady coming out. And when so many on the message boards were saying Brady wasn't anything special after being carried to the SB win that first season, I was saying, "watch out, this guys is good b/c he's avoiding those young QB mistakes". Now for the idiots that can't understand evaluation, I am not saying Tua is or will be Brady. But I am saying that one of Brady's best abilities was his decision-making and he displayed that early on. And Tua is starting to show similar development in the same area.
I'm also not saying that Tua can't make "wow" throws himself. He is one of the most accurate passers I've ever seen. He's not the guy that can throw 70 yards from his knees, but I'd put his overall arm talent up against any QB in the league. But "wow" plays are always going to be a relatively small part of the game (at most 10%). If your QB is making mostly right decisions in that other 90% of the game, you're going to win a ton of games. And if you get a long window where your QB is healthy and the team around his is good enough then odds are some of those will be SBs. That's not a guarantee or a prediction. Tua still has to show he can stay healthy along with developing the rest of his game. It's just an obvious observation that good decision-making is one of the most impactful QB traits for long-term NFL success. An obvious observation that most media and fans don't understand enough to see.
I was thinking the same thing
Yeah, no way I’m criticizing a 15+ yard completion when he “could’ve” tried for a ~ 20 yard one (CB was glued to Wilson, with the safety not far behind).
Just five of such 15 yard completions in a series gets you from the 25 yard line to the endzone. It was a good a play, not going to ding it at all.
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Tua didn't get injured. Other than that, you are 249% correct.
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If the most enduring complaint about Tua is that "he doesn't push the ball down the field", I'll take that every time.
Hero ball is exciting (Fitzpatrick), but it fails as often as it succeeds. Those lower % deep passes are exciting, and yes... you have to throw deep occasionally to keep the safeties deep, but they also cause a lot of 3rd and 10s, or worse yet, interceptions and sacks.
Give me a quick passing offense over the 70s style Raiders offense... every single time.
Hero ball is exciting (Fitzpatrick), but it fails as often as it succeeds. Those lower % deep passes are exciting, and yes... you have to throw deep occasionally to keep the safeties deep, but they also cause a lot of 3rd and 10s, or worse yet, interceptions and sacks.
Give me a quick passing offense over the 70s style Raiders offense... every single time.
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That safety was 100% on Bridgewater... just awful.
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Go back and watch the play you will see the safety #24 went to the opposite side of the field. All i am saying is he needs to be able to make those plays when the opportunity presents itself. Wilson had the corner beat and with his accuracy that most rave about it should have been a completed pass. Im looking for growth from Tua and too many times last season these types of plays were missed.
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It is third down and you have an open receiver just past the sticks for a short pitch and catch. There is no need to push it just a little further up the field with a smaller window and a greater chance of an incompletion. I would agree with you if this was second and long or we needed the additional yards on that play, but I don't understand the risk to try to pass over a defender to try to hit a crossing receiver while on the move is you don't have to. Coach has said that this offense is geared to take what the defense gives you rather than force something that is unnecessary and I feel the pass to Wilson would have taken unnecessary risks for very little additional reward.