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Barry Jackson: Discusses Line Before and After Martin Saga, Other Notes

If we bring this line back intact in 2014 we'll be shoved around and embarrassed. They simply aren't talented enough. Late season is never a good time to evaluate offensive linemen. That may not be intuitive, and in fact apparently senseless, but it holds up. The majority of games at this point of the season feature too much scrum activity in the trenches, far beyond earlier in the year. Not as much ferocity from the defensive front sevens. That's why some of the great running back performances of all time have accelerated greatly at the end of the season. Those backs like Simpson and Dickerson and Peterson never would have put up those final numbers if the game were played similarly as September and October. I have plenty of friends who like to bet player props. They always take the over in running back numbers in late season games. The defense is often skating around on sloppy field, for one thing. That levels out the talent aspect. That defensive lineman may be 30% superior to your offensive lineman in perfect conditions early in the year, but in the slop in December it can lead to a false impression of parity.

McKinnie really doesn't try to hit anybody in the running game. I posted that before we signed him. He knows where to move, to essentially wall off his man. It reminds me of cotillion when I was in junior high. For every additional year, he'll lose a few percent, a vital few percent. That said, there's no question he has been an upgrade in pass blocking and field smarts.

Clabo is playing at the same level as last season in Atlanta, when the Falcons were content to get rid of him. He was strangely far below that level for the bulk of the season. Again, the trend is downward. Always dangerous to ignore the logical trend in favor of overreacting to the most recent sample.

I don't know enough about Brenner. Might be a keeper. Narrow torso but moves well. I suspect he'd be trucked in August and September, some plays reminiscent of Martin against the 49ers last season.

Jerry is the same as always. I think he's actually interesting to watch because so few players have a frame like that. It reminds me of watching Leon Searcy play tackle for the Steelers years ago, and wondering what he might look like if he ever got in shape. Truthfully, it probably wouldn't have mattered much. That's one of those happy adjustments I always despise. If he got in shape he'd still be the same John Jerry, with decent athletic ability and football instincts but not ideal balance or explosiveness. Marginal starter.

I'm a Seantrel Henderson fan, to use a Canes reference. He might be a value add, in the 3rd or 4th round. Right tackle. That's the type of thing I look for, a big talent who is devalued. Henderson was the top rated player coming out of high school. He's had some minor off field issues and been in Golden's dog house sporadically. Lots of Canes fans have soured on him, based on expectation and result. Not a full time player. But if you watch him when he's out there and set aside the biases, he's quite effective and often tremendous, like against Werner of Florida State in 2012. I suspect Henderson will be a far better pro than collegian, like so many recent Canes.
 
I agree that it is dangerous to blindly assume that McKinnie will simply maintain the level of play that he has had in the last few weeks.
There is the age and breakdown factor.
Second his penchant for off-field shenanigans isn't simply going to go away. Guys typically clean up their act when they first arrive at a place but once they get comfortable old habits die hard.

I think voiding the contract was the right move, because if nothing else it guarantees you that McKinnie will be focused above his baseline for the remainder of his contract.
 
Based on play I was about to ask this? I think you absolutely bring back Mckinne next year. However, based on how the line has been playing currently do you still stick with your "improvement" plans?

1) Draft or Via FA 2 Tackles and at least 1 G?

If you do that? Do you dare release these bunch that has been playing well?

How do we know this is the organization's plan to fix the OL? Who can figure what those clowns will do?
 
mckinnies not getting bench pressed back into the qb like martin was...and clabo for that matter...collapsing pockets all over the place...clabos been better of late no doubt...i think i see a few differences with his technique that seem to be making a difference and he's getting more help cause they trust the left tackle to hold up one on one more

I said I didn't see a difference in pass blocking, and that Martin was better on the run. I checked PFF and they seem to agree and disagree with bot of us. McKinnie, since Miami at LT, grades out at -2.3 in pass blocking and -3.9 on the run. Martin, at LT, is at -1.4 in pass blocking, and -4.1 n the run.

For the year, McKinee got a -13.4 on the run. I think the bottom line here is that both are bad and we need to replace them.

Different topic. I'm thinking that IF Brenner develops and gets stronger, it's worth at least considering putting him at center, and moving Pouncey to LG. Opinion?
 
I wanted to keep Jerry. He has done well in pass protect, and I thought he would be getting better n the run. Instead he is getting worse in run blocking the last few weeks. He is still VG on the pass but, I am having second thoughts of him as a starter next year.
 
How do we know this is the organization's plan to fix the OL? Who can figure what those clowns will do?

Ireland has failed twice already to fix the OL, why on earth give him a third chance. He has picked 8 OL in the draft and of them only Pouncey (drafted way too high) has worked out OK. I have zero faith in that dimwit.
 
Regardless if we resign McKinney, we will be drafting/FA a couple T's and a couple G's. We have to. We have to replenish the backups we are now using to be starters. Clabo a FA.

I would not be against resigning both Clabo and McKinney to short deals and draft your future. Too many injuries and unseen circumstances. Good OL will be found in late rounds and after the draft. How do we know this? Brenner.

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jerry a FA.
 
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