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You are criticizing my prediction of 9-7 last year, yet you had a prediction of 3-13? Doesn't seem like you have a lot of room to talk. The team I predicted last year was the one we saw that went 6-3 to end the year. The 0-7 team had to deal with a quarterback change and a brand new offense that had no offseason to prepare. Seems I was closer in my predicition than you were.

Excuses as usual...NO TEAM HAD AN OFFSEASON LAST YEAR...DUH. That is a pathetic excuse. As for the change in offense, that was supposed to a major upgrade right??? But now its an excuse...

Well, we will have a new offense, defense, and new coach this year....so congrats...you have your built-in excuses ready for next year when the Phins suck...and that will give you excuses for the next year on why Ireland and Co. should be retained. Congratulations, you probably have several years of built-in excuses with the FO...

But in a few years, when we still suck, you can take comfort in those excuses (oh wait...it is two years later and we still suck...)
 
You are criticizing my prediction of 9-7 last year, yet you had a prediction of 3-13? Doesn't seem like you have a lot of room to talk. The team I predicted last year was the one we saw that went 6-3 to end the year. The 0-7 team had to deal with a quarterback change and a brand new offense that had no offseason to prepare. Seems I was closer in my predicition than you were.

What? Even though you were both 3 games off, if anything you were more wrong than Dr Phin.
The team you predicted to go 9-7 was the team that started off the season with a new offense and Chad Henne. It's not like you knew that suddenly we would start getting better QB play 8 games into the season and win a few games. Do you honestly think that team with a healthy Henne, even if he did get benched for Moore at some point, would have been 9-7 or better?
 
Excuses as usual...NO TEAM HAD AN OFFSEASON LAST YEAR...DUH. That is a pathetic excuse. As for the change in offense, that was supposed to a major upgrade right??? But now its an excuse...

Well, we will have a new offense, defense, and new coach this year....so congrats...you have your built-in excuses ready for next year when the Phins suck...and that will give you excuses for the next year on why Ireland and Co. should be retained. Congratulations, you probably have several years of built-in excuses with the FO...

But in a few years, when we still suck, you can take comfort in those excuses (oh wait...it is two years later and we still suck...)

I mean the team he thought we would see was the one that finished the year, and the team you thought we would see was the one that started the year. Either way you were both off. The team wasn't as bad as 3-13 and wasn't as good as 9-7. I have no clue what hes trying to prove.
 
when has Miami been better when they need a stop? I can't remember that far back. when has a Miami D last stepped up in a big game? when didthey last play in a big game? Don't be confused b/c your D played "well" after the season was lost last year.

I think our D will be significantly better this year w/ the additions of Coples, the safeties and the return of Bryan Thomas along w/ a slimmed down Bart Scott and most importantly Rex will be calling the defense again. Will it be as good as '09? probably not but it will be much better than 2011 where it was simialr to Miami's D.

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If reality upsets people I cannot control that. I don't make stuff up like others on here, sorry if it bothers you.

First, your reality is that Sanchez is a great QB and better than Rivers. Hilarious. Clearly you don't live in reality.

Secondly, the Bills have improved this year moreso than the Jets. Yes, you have Coples. Congrats. Buffalo added an amazing defensive end, another great end, a great cornerback from the draft.
 
Excuses as usual...NO TEAM HAD AN OFFSEASON LAST YEAR...DUH. That is a pathetic excuse. As for the change in offense, that was supposed to a major upgrade right??? But now its an excuse...

Well, we will have a new offense, defense, and new coach this year....so congrats...you have your built-in excuses ready for next year when the Phins suck...and that will give you excuses for the next year on why Ireland and Co. should be retained. Congratulations, you probably have several years of built-in excuses with the FO...

But in a few years, when we still suck, you can take comfort in those excuses (oh wait...it is two years later and we still suck...)
You are right, no team had an offseason to prepare. How many of those teams had to install a brand new offense? That was the point you missed. I didn't anticipate it taking such a long time for the new offense to click, but it did. It also didn't help that the new offense had to switch starting quarterbacks a few games into the season. Once the offense got their act together they started winning.

We do have a new offense and new defense, but they have a full offseason to work on it and I highly doubt you are going to see an 0-7 start like you did last year until it clicks. Things didn't go as well in 2011 as I thought it would, and it didn't go as bad as you thought. You were just as wrong in your thoughts as I was. So I am not sure why you are taking issue with what I had to say.

I am thinking 8-8 or 9-7 this year, it isn't like I am predicting some amazing Super Bowl season. No need to try and pick a fight when you really don't have much to stand on.
 
What? Even though you were both 3 games off, if anything you were more wrong than Dr Phin.
The team you predicted to go 9-7 was the team that started off the season with a new offense and Chad Henne. It's not like you knew that suddenly we would start getting better QB play 8 games into the season and win a few games. Do you honestly think that team with a healthy Henne, even if he did get benched for Moore at some point, would have been 9-7 or better?

I have said over and over that I did expect the offense to click a lot earlier than it did during the early part of the season. I was wrong, it took much longer. The team obviously had talent last year and the 6-3 run at the end of the season proved that. A 3-13 team doesn't blow teams out or go toe to toe the the league's elite. They lost to the Patriots, Cowboys and Giants by a combined 7 points.

I was wrong, he was wrong, but I have to say my overall view of the team last year was closer to being accurate.



I mean the team he thought we would see was the one that finished the year, and the team you thought we would see was the one that started the year. Either way you were both off. The team wasn't as bad as 3-13 and wasn't as good as 9-7. I have no clue what hes trying to prove.
I am not trying to prove anything. He is the one that called me out, I just had to set the record straight. Should be the end this debate.
 
The Bills have done much more than simply sign Mario Williams.
  • First, they hired Dave Wannstadt as their DC. Wanny may not be a great HC, but he's a pretty DC.
  • The Bills also added QB coach David Lee to work with Fitzpatrick and the other QBs. He's working on Fitz's mechanics, which hopefully improves his accuracy.
Ugh...
 
Actually, I think last year was VERY predictable ... AND we actually did better than expected, because Moore pulled our bacon out of the fire.

Henne & Sparano had both hit the wall a couple years earlier ... but folks backed them for no football reason. Folks making all those excuses were mostly Sparano & Henne defenders too!!

The media was all over Miami's situation last year as most recall predicting only a few wins ... had it not been for Moore & a few easy teams at the end of the year ... it could have been real ugly.

Surprise ... same o/u = 7.5 this year. New coaching & systems on the both sides of the ball ... could be VERY Ugly!! Moore & Garrard should keep it real though & avoid a collapse if things go bad.

Our talent sucks. Hope that "alleged" good draft turns out be be on the "ALLEGED" side!! .... man, a dozen years of this crap just gets older & older!! Sugar coating it doesn't help anymore!!
 
You are right, no team had an offseason to prepare. How many of those teams had to install a brand new offense? That was the point you missed. I didn't anticipate it taking such a long time for the new offense to click, but it did. It also didn't help that the new offense had to switch starting quarterbacks a few games into the season. Once the offense got their act together they started winning.

We do have a new offense and new defense, but they have a full offseason to work on it and I highly doubt you are going to see an 0-7 start like you did last year until it clicks. Things didn't go as well in 2011 as I thought it would, and it didn't go as bad as you thought. You were just as wrong in your thoughts as I was. So I am not sure why you are taking issue with what I had to say.

I am thinking 8-8 or 9-7 this year, it isn't like I am predicting some amazing Super Bowl season. No need to try and pick a fight when you really don't have much to stand on.

The offense never "clicked", we just ended up playing 5 crap teams that were worse than us.

Also, when you say that "we were as close to 9-7 as we were to 3-13", that shows me you just don't get it. We were closer to 0-16 than we were 9-7. The team on the field last year was joke. If it wasn't for the fact that Moore was better than we thought, things could have been even worse.
 
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Actually, I think last year was VERY predictable ... AND we actually did better than expected, because Moore pulled our bacon out of the fire.

Henne & Sparano had both hit the wall a couple years earlier ... but folks backed them for no football reason. Folks making all those excuses were mostly Sparano & Henne defenders too!!

The media was all over Miami's situation last year as most recall predicting only a few wins ... had it not been for Moore & a few easy teams at the end of the year ... it could have been real ugly.

Surprise ... same o/u = 7.5 this year. New coaching & systems on the both sides of the ball ... could be VERY Ugly!! Moore & Garrard should keep it real though & avoid a collapse if things go bad.

Our talent sucks. Hope that "alleged" good draft turns out be be on the "ALLEGED" side!! .... man, a dozen years of this crap just gets older & older!! Sugar coating it doesn't help anymore!!

I can only hope that Ireland actually stumbled on someone good in Philbin. I am giving him a chance for now. We can only hope that he is good...or we are screwed for another 3 years at least.
 
The offense never "clicked", we just ended up playing 5 crap teams that were worse than us.

Also, when you say that "we were as close to 9-7 as we were to 3-13", that shows me you just don't get it. We were closer to 0-16 than we were 9-7. The team on the field last year was joke. If it wasn't for the fact that Moore was better than we thought, things could have been even worse.
closer to 0-16, and I am the one who doesn't get it? :lol:
 
But hey don't get too upset, I think that the Jets are ****in terrible too. Lol its pretty funny how I try to tell you how bad the Dolphins are and then turn around and argue with Junc because he refuses to accept reality about the Jets God awful team.
Welp, hoping against hope again.

yeah, we are going to suck. I called Goodell's office yesterday to ask them to cancel the season. i'll let you know when he calls back.

The Bills have done much more than simply sign Mario Williams.
  • First, they hired Dave Wannstadt as their DC. Wanny may not be a great HC, but he's a pretty DC.
  • The Bills also added QB coach David Lee to work with Fitzpatrick and the other QBs. He's working on Fitz's mechanics, which hopefully improves his accuracy.
  • Yes, the Bills signed Mario Williams in FA. They also added pass rushing specialist Mark Anderson from the Pats. With Anderson, the Bills look to have a DL that looks like Mario Williams, Marcel Dareus, Kyle Williams, and Anderson/Chris Kelsay or possibly Shawne Merriman if his surgery last season has truly fixed his Achilles problem. A good pass rush will make the Bills solid safeties and decent cbs better.
  • The Bills dealt with their perennial OT problem by letting mediocre Demetress Bell walk, and drafted 3 OLers, including 2 OTs in the draft. They also return 2nd year pro Hairston and journeyman Pearse at OT.
  • Overall, the Bills had a nice draft, adding some valuable pieces for the future like Gilmore (CB) and Graham (WR) in addition to the OLers already mentioned.
  • They also added Vince Young as a backup QB. I'm not sure how this will play out, and nobody else really does, either. He may not even make the team, but it demonstrates that the Bills FO is working hard to improve talent at every position.

You, like many other fans who don't follow the Bills, underestimate Chan Gailey. He's very innovative on the offensive side of the ball, and has come up with schemes to make the most of the Bills limited amount of talent. Only in his third season as HC have the Bills finally assembled a respectable amount of NFL caliber talent on both sides of the ball.

I don't know how the Bills will do on the field, but I know I will be very disappointed if they don't win at least 9 games.

Outside of 1 year in dallas what has Wanny done as a DC?

Who has David Lee helped while an NFL coach?

Mario and his zero all pro selctions and 2 DD sack seasons in 6 seasons along w/ Houston finall making the playoffs AFTER he gets hurt and misses most of the season

Mark Anderson and his mostly garbage time sacks in NE, from 2007-2010 he totalled 13.5 sacks

maybe you hit in the draft? maybe you didn't? we'll see.

Vince Young is a talented guy, that's about all we can say.

Mario may not be as good as you gusy think but obviously adding him to that DL was big(even though you overpaid but you had to). Your DL is going to be excellent, you still have LB and DB concerns. Is the CB going to be good or will he be another McKelvin? On O you have questions, you have one good WR who never shows up in crunch time, a QB who has never won a big game in his life and some OL issues. You do have a dynamic backfield(I expect Spiller to be much better) and you have a 60 year old coach who has never won a playoff game.


Chan may be innovative but in his career that hasn't led to great offenses or wins as a HC.

Buffalo is better w/o a doubt, good enough to finish 2nd? iof things break right but more likely is they will finish 3rd.


This is wishful thinking IMO. Coples is a rookie who will be transitioning from a 4-3 DE to a 3-4 DE or OLB, so he not only has to learn about the NFL, he has to learn a new position, too. He's also not exactly praised for his work ethic.

Aside from Harris, your LBs are at best, an okay group but nothing special, especially for a 3-4 team. Maybin is a big liability against the run.

Your new safeties are Landry who may NOT even be ready to play, and Bell who is as old as Methusela. Both are good against the run. However, even healthy and in their primes, neither one was particularly good in pass coverage, so now they may very well be liabilities.

Who's your FS again? Oh, that's right! You don't have one! Rumor has it that Jabba is going to resurrect his Daddy's 4-6 defense as a major part of the Jests defense. The problem with that scheme is that teams in this century are pass happy not run happy. Just because Jabba and Meatball want to turn the clock back 25 years doesn't mean that their opponents will oblige them. Try the 4-6 against NE and watch Gronkowski, and Hernandez run wild. :lol:

The Jets are going to be using a lot of 4-3 looks, he won't be playing LB. remember, he was inside as a Jr.

Our LBs aren't great but are still probably the best in the division.

We upgraded our safeties, will they still be picked on? sure, they are still the weakness of our D but they are not weak.

Eric Smith isn't as bad as he looked last year, he was banged up most of the year and Leonhard could be back. We'll see.

We dominated NE's O in the PLAYOFFs on the road w/ gronk and hernandez w/ Eric Smith starting. We'll be ok.



It's funny you bring up wishful thinking after praising Wanny, Anderson & Chan Gailey.

You are criticizing my prediction of 9-7 last year, yet you had a prediction of 3-13? Doesn't seem like you have a lot of room to talk. The team I predicted last year was the one we saw that went 6-3 to end the year. The 0-7 team had to deal with a quarterback change and a brand new offense that had no offseason to prepare. Seems I was closer in my predicition than you were.

They were much closer to a 3 win team than 7 in reality, they won 6 meaningless games when they were out of the race. in meaningful games still in the race they didn't win a single game.

I thought Henning leaving immediately made Miami's O better?

First, your reality is that Sanchez is a great QB and better than Rivers. Hilarious. Clearly you don't live in reality.

Secondly, the Bills have improved this year moreso than the Jets. Yes, you have Coples. Congrats. Buffalo added an amazing defensive end, another great end, a great cornerback from the draft.

Find one quote where I say Sanchez is great or that he will become great.

yes I'd rather have him than the overrated fantasy QB Philip Rivers.

The Bills had much more room to improve than the Jets.
 
I have said over and over that I did expect the offense to click a lot earlier than it did during the early part of the season. I was wrong, it took much longer. The team obviously had talent last year and the 6-3 run at the end of the season proved that. A 3-13 team doesn't blow teams out or go toe to toe the the league's elite. They lost to the Patriots, Cowboys and Giants by a combined 7 points.

I was wrong, he was wrong, but I have to say my overall view of the team last year was closer to being accurate.



I am not trying to prove anything. He is the one that called me out, I just had to set the record straight. Should be the end this debate.

The debate isn't over cuz you just said that you're overall view of the team last year was more accurate. How? You knew that Chad Henne was our quarterback, you knew that we had no off season, and you knew that we were installing a new offense yet you predicted 9-7 anyway. You can't now go back and use those factors as excuses for why we lost so many games. It's not as if some unforseen circumstance prevented us from winning as many games as we should have last year.
What excuse do you want to make for the team's failure last year? The QB change? Didn't seem like we were setting the world on fire with Henne anyway, and I seriously doubt we would have done any better had either of the bums (Henne or Moore) played the entire season. You want to blame the coaching staff (or just the OC) specifically? You seemed to love those guys before last season, you can't revise history now. Wanna blame the lack of an off season? Nobody had an off season, that's a terrible excuse.
Outside of Henne, the team was relatively healthy last year. Again, there's no catastrophic event you can point to from last year that caused our downfall. The team was on a downward spiral from snap #1, and we started winning once we started playing really awful teams. We didn't beat a single good team last year, and don't start talking about losses by small margins either, go back and look at our 2007 1-15 team, we lost a bunch of close games that year too. Margin of victory means nothing, you are what your record says you are, period.
So no, we weren't the worst team in the league last year, only about 7th or 8th worst. Congratulations to the 2011 Miami Dolphins for not being the ****tiest team in the league!... You were wrong dude, and like I said, if anything 9-7 was more far off than 6-10, because you didn't anticipate a QB change that helped us win those games against crap teams! You had us at 9-7 with Chad Henne.
 
yeah, we are going to suck. I called Goodell's office yesterday to ask them to cancel the season. i'll let you know when he calls back.



yes I'd rather have him than the overrated fantasy QB Philip Rivers.

The Bills had much more room to improve than the Jets.

First of all, it'd probably be a good idea for both the Jets and Fins to cancel next season, so relax big nuts.

Secondly and more importantly, when statistics back up your argument, you go on and on about them in your posts. (I've noticed that you're quite fond of noting Sanchez's TD-INT ratio in the playoffs) Yet when stats completely contradict your argument (like when the FACTS get in the way of your OPINION) you dismiss them as meaningless fantasy numbers. I wonder if you could please enlighten me as to when numbers matter, and when they can simply be tossed aside, I want specific sets of circumstances. To me, it seems as if Philip Rivers would have a much better playoff track record if not for a ****ty kicker and a torn ACL. (which he played with)
 
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