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Best Damn Sports (Yesterday) dont know if you guys caught it. .

So John Saley is a champion, RIGHT! If just having a ring makes you a champion, then John Sally is a better player than Charles Barkley, John Stockton and Karl Malone. Similar, NO, EXACT same comparison as Marino not being the best b/c of no ring! That puts those guys behind many other guys like Cooper,Ainge, Dennis Johnson, Rick Fox, Paxson, Bill Cartwright, Luke Longley, Horrace Grant, and on and on. None were champions! Pippen had Micheal and Pipen proved he was not a top tier player w/o MJ. Basketball is one sport where a single guy can make the diff. from just being good to a title and a champion. Why can it? B/c you have 5 guys playing and they play both ways! Marino did not play D. Marino did not allow 110 pts in 3 losses to a Buffalo team in the playoffs. That is right 110 points in 3! , YES 3! games. Do we blame Elway for his team being blown out?
Absolutely not!
Why blame Marino?
 
Miami Dolphins defensive ranking Marino's first 15 years.

19, 19, 23, 26, 26, 26, 24, 7, 25, 10, 20, 19, 16, 18, 26.

Enough said. Marino carried this team through pitifulness.
 
Im tired of hearing joe montana is the greatest qb ever. what qb records does he have. marino on the other hand has just about all the records you could get, but when talked about he only is credited with being a top 10 qb alltime. thats b/s, it should not be how many rings you have is what makes you an alltime great qb. you can not tell me brady is a better qb than manning b/c he has more rings. same goes w/ marino .
 
PHINZONER said:
So John Saley is a champion, RIGHT! If just having a ring makes you a champion, then John Sally is a better player than Charles Barkley, John Stockton and Karl Malone. Similar, NO, EXACT same comparison as Marino not being the best b/c of no ring! That puts those guys behind many other guys like Cooper,Ainge, Dennis Johnson, Rick Fox, Paxson, Bill Cartwright, Luke Longley, Horrace Grant, and on and on. None were champions! Pippen had Micheal and Pipen proved he was not a top tier player w/o MJ. Basketball is one sport where a single guy can make the diff. from just being good to a title and a champion. Why can it? B/c you have 5 guys playing and they play both ways! Marino did not play D. Marino did not allow 110 pts in 3 losses to a Buffalo team in the playoffs. That is right 110 points in 3! , YES 3! games. Do we blame Elway for his team being blown out?
Absolutely not!
Why blame Marino?
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I dont think anyone is blaming Marino. Salley IS NOT A WINNER, BUT HE IS A CHAMPION (as ring shows). Any by no means is a ring everything, but the sad reality of it is--achievments are most often than not measured by championships.
 
$$BWCJR78$$ said:
Im tired of hearing joe montana is the greatest qb ever. what qb records does he have. marino on the other hand has just about all the records you could get, but when talked about he only is credited with being a top 10 qb alltime. thats b/s, it should not be how many rings you have is what makes you an alltime great qb. you can not tell me brady is a better qb than manning b/c he has more rings. same goes w/ marino .
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Sad to say, but Id take Brady over Manning anyday. Brady = Clutch. Manning = numbers but CHOKES on big games.
As much as I LOVE Marino, behind Fouts of course, if I were to be given the choice of either having Marino's records and accolade vs. Brady's ring(s)- Id take the championships. So I ask you, which would you rather have? Marino's numbers, or a championship?


And Im soo tired of people saying "its the system, thats the only reason why Brady is good." So you mean to tell me if Fiedler was put behind center, he'd win the SB?
 
FinsNCanes said:
They had Rodney Peete on and what I believe was 2 regulars on the show. Anyway, with all the negative articles coming out about Marino NOT being a great QB, it went a little different. To make a long story short Rodney Peete was saying there was no way Dan shouldn't be considered top 3 QB of all time behind Montana and a toss up between Elway/Marino. The other hosts seemed to agree but there was one guy (black dude, bald head, usually covers NBA) was saying that Dan was a great QB, but not a champion. Either way they pretty much all agreed he was atleast a top 3/5 QB of all time, but not a champion. All in all it was a good episode..but why is it Dan is always brought into the fold about a ring more than any other great player out there that never got one? Just seems kind of silly.
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DAN MARINO IS IN THE HALL AND NO ONE CAN DENY HIM THAT.....PERIOD!
 
L.T.21 said:
Sad to say, but Id take Brady over Manning anyday. Brady = Clutch. Manning = numbers but CHOKES on big games.
As much as I LOVE Marino, behind Fouts of course, if I were to be given the choice of either having Marino's records and accolade vs. Brady's ring(s)- Id take the championships. So I ask you, which would you rather have? Marino's numbers, or a championship?


And Im soo tired of people saying "its the system, thats the only reason why Brady is good." So you mean to tell me if Fiedler was put behind center, he'd win the SB?
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Marino vs whoever is not the same as manning vs brady. Manning faces Ne's D which is good while brady gets to face Indy crappy D. Sometimes a team or a coach just has a players number. Conversely Brady facing Indy's D is a wlak in the park cause theyre just not good. In addition, you need to realize that Manning hasnt played well in big games something that was never the case with Marino except for the J-ville game in his last season.

Regarding Marino having stats but not rings; thats true too. But Marino suffered from what manning suffers from. A lack of support. Marino wasnt a Db or a RB so why is he held accountable for not winning a title? I dont care who you are you need the support of a TEAM to win a ring because the thing that makes football unique is that you only play, and thereby affect the outcome of the game, from 1 side of the ball.

Lastly, titles do not define a players career because of what was just said. If that were the case Dilfer would be a HOFER, Bradshaw would be the 2nd best qb ever, and marino, moon, tarkenton wouldnt equate to squat and thats not the case. The Qb position is in only slightly different then a goalie or a pitcher. Like the QB the other 2 positions control the game, but unlike the other two positions the others have the chance to affect the outcome of the game both offensively and defensively at least to a degree.
 
L.T.21 said:
Sad to say, but Id take Brady over Manning anyday. Brady = Clutch. Manning = numbers but CHOKES on big games.
As much as I LOVE Marino, behind Fouts of course, if I were to be given the choice of either having Marino's records and accolade vs. Brady's ring(s)- Id take the championships. So I ask you, which would you rather have? Marino's numbers, or a championship?


And Im soo tired of people saying "its the system, thats the only reason why Brady is good." So you mean to tell me if Fiedler was put behind center, he'd win the SB?
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So you think that Brady would have taken the Colts and their sorry defense to the Superbowl and won???:rofl3: :rofl3: :rofl3: Brady is a good QB but dont you think the defense contributed to the success of the team or was it all Brady.:shakeno:
 
L.T.21 said:
Sad to say, but Id take Brady over Manning anyday. Brady = Clutch. Manning = numbers but CHOKES on big games.
As much as I LOVE Marino, behind Fouts of course, if I were to be given the choice of either having Marino's records and accolade vs. Brady's ring(s)- Id take the championships. So I ask you, which would you rather have? Marino's numbers, or a championship?


And Im soo tired of people saying "its the system, thats the only reason why Brady is good." So you mean to tell me if Fiedler was put behind center, he'd win the SB?
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No, nothing that extreme...

However, do you think that if we got Brady instead of Marino in the 83 draft (assuming of course he was born a couple of decades earlier),and the rest of the players remained the same, that the Phins have done better than they did with Dan?

I don't dispute the fact that Brady is good. Better than good even, especially in clutch situations. Most QBs (especially Fiedler) would not be as successful as Brady regardless of how friendly the system was. However, if you put Brady on a team that had a weak defense I really dont think we would be talking about him here. When teams play the Pats they worry about the defense. They worry about offensive schemes cooked up by the coaches. They respect Brady and may even worry about him, but I dont think they fear him. Several defensive coordinators have stated that they feared Marino. (considering present company I'll admit that I've heard the same thing about Dan Fouts)

So, its not a valid question to ask "Marino and his records or Brady and his championships. IMO, Having Brady instead of Marino would likely have resulted in NO championships....unless you brought most of Brady's team with him.
 
The way I see it, is that Dan would have put up great numbers and been a HOF QB no matter who drafted him. He was always able to elevate the level of play of the players around him. Unfortunately, he did not have enough support, and we all know it is the ultimate team sport and teams win Super Bowls, not 1 or 2 players.
Conversely, I feel that Montana was very lucky to have been drafted by the 49ers, b/c he fit their system and was surrounded by a lot of talent. If he had been drafted by, say for example, the Saints, does anyone really think he'd have any SB rings?
Only if the Saints had traded him to the 9rs or cut him and the 9rs picked him up.
 
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