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Ray R said:
It raises the specter of a possible fix, but that is all it does!
It doesn't prove anything.

There are too many "lame brains" and "lazy thinkers" that feel they have insight.
They don't; I seldom, if ever, see good information (as in being vetted) from those folks. It's just rumor & hearsay used as proof that their "sacred" opinion is the only correct opinion.

Those posters who think they "know it all" really piss off those of us who do (know it all). - LOL
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I would hope that if it was "proven" the crew would really be suspended.
 
rafael said:
And when they can't get it right it somehow unfairly favors one side. I read a stat where there have only been 10 games in NFL history where one team had 10 accepted penalties and the other team had 0 accepted penalties. I don't know what the other 9 were, but in the Philly/Miami game there were multiple obvious penalties that the commentators and "expert" rules analyst called out as wrong and said things like, "I don't see how anyone can miss that".
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Once is an exception, twice is a coincidence, three times - or more - is a real problem of some sort that must be investigated.

I suspect there is an investigation going on currently with just two "lopsided" games with foul calls.

Just my opinion. - LOL
 
Ray R said:
Once is an exception, twice is a coincidence, three times - or more - is a real problem of some sort that must be investigated.

I suspect there is an investigation going on currently with just two "lopsided" games with foul calls.

Just my opinion. - LOL
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bet the boys in Vegas might know something....
 
rafael said:
No it's easier for me to believe that a few guys are particularly biased and that the rest of the crew isn't one that keeps everybody accountable. And the NFL has done a poor job of weeding out and holding poor crews accountable. Team dynamics favor having your team mates back more than it does calling someone out for bad behavior. That's actually more commonly the case in human behavior studies. In the end it doesn't really matter whether they are bad to a statistically improbable level or if it's just a few making their biases to obvious. Either way we should be complaining about them.
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No one is arguing that "obvious" bad calls should not be complained about.

The question is - how do you separate a "biased fans opinion" about a called foul from what the refs see up close and can review in the booth.

As of right now, I'd go with the Refs opinion - even if my opinion varied with theirs.
 
Ray R said:
Once is an exception, twice is a coincidence, three times - or more - is a real problem of some sort that must be investigated.

I suspect there is an investigation going on currently with just two "lopsided" games with foul calls.

Just my opinion. - LOL
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It would be in the NFL's interest to not announce anything. Their best hope is that there aren't too many more blown calls and the crew is just not brought back or broken up next season. It calls less attention to it how horrifically bad and one sided they've been.
 
Ray R said:
Miserable people trying to compensate for their miserable lives at someone else's expense.
Example - "Lemmings"!
Enough said.
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That is a good synopsis of what psychologists say about those who believe in conspiracy theory.

In general, these people have misgivings about the way the world works, but lack the education to understand there are a myriad of reasons for what they fear, so they tend to develop a one size, fits all shortcut.
Psychologists also say that those who believe in one conspiracy theory are more apt to believe in other theories... even when the second or third theory is mutually exclusive.
 
Ray R said:
No one is arguing that "obvious" bad calls should be complained about.

The question is - how do you separate a "biased fans opinion" about a called foul from what the refs see up close and can review in the booth.

As of right now, I'd go with the Refs opinion - even if my opinion varied with theirs.
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It's just tougher when the Ref in the booth also acknowledges that it was obviously wrong. That's not just a biased fan's view.
 
rafael said:
It's just tougher when the Ref in the booth also acknowledges that it was obviously wrong. That's not just a biased fan's view.
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The only difference is that he wasn't actually on the field to see the details that videos can't always provide; but what you say about their lack of bias is probably correct.
 
I'm just getting around to seeing the no call in the Chiefs vs Packers. What a terrible throw by Mahommes. No team should ever be rewarded for such a bad throw like that.

Saints x Falcons no call looked worse, but again a bad throw.
 
I'm just SO very anti-conspiracy theories, in general, in the big picture, FWIW. And I think the 2 most over-criticized things on message boards or comments, or in sports bars, are refereeing and playcalling ( :chuckle: ). I REALLY seldom criticize refs (one could see this looking through my posts, but no one will, who the Eff am I?). B U T ---- That Philly Dolphins game was such an outlier, so ridiculously one sided, calls so blatantly missed - I dunno - somethings wrong - or we're looking at a tiny sliver at the very VERY end of the variance bell curve. The missed PI on MVS pales next to the face mask/PI on Wilson.
 
GreenDolphinSt said:
I'm just SO very anti-conspiracy theories, in general, in the big picture, FWIW. And I think the 2 most over-criticized things on message boards or comments, or in sports bars, are refereeing and playcalling ( :chuckle: ). I REALLY seldom criticize refs (one could see this looking through my posts, but no one will, who the Eff am I?). B U T ---- That Philly Dolphins game was such an outlier, so ridiculously one sided, calls so blatantly missed - I dunno - somethings wrong - or we're looking at a tiny sliver at the very VERY end of the variance bell curve. The missed PI on MVS pales next to the face mask/PI on Wilson.
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That echoes a lot of what I feel. In most cases I'm the anti-conspiracy theory guy. But that game was so blatantly unfairly called. It felt like a pro wrestling match or an SNL skit. IMO you'd have to actively stick your head in the sand to not acknowledge it. I get why the NFL may stick their head in the sand and hope it blows over, but anybody trying to be unbiased has to be lying to themselves and everybody else to pretend it was just the usual missed call here and there.
 
The funny thing is that the same people who believe the NFL is rigged also believe that the NFL is incompetent. It literally is impossible for the incompetent to have a system in place to rig games and go it right and make sure no parties talk.

Is it possible for a rouge ref to make calls effecting an outcome for personal gain? Yes. We know that happened in the NBA. But until there is proof it has ever happened in the NFL, it would be nothing more than speculation with no evidence. I would side more on incompetence being the villain here.
 
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