Brandon Gibson odd man out ?

[Krush]

was Gibson blocking?

 

[spiketex]

Matthews isn't the competition for Gibson. I mean, they're probably in competition for the last spot but not directly with each other. The guy who's making the team between them really comes down to Landry, imo.

Why? Because Gibson and Landry are in many ways mirror images of each other, and play similar positions. They're both relatively slow, relatively unathletic guys who are smart, catch the ball reliably and play better than they time. If Landy shows well in training camp, like he can start inside right away, then Gibson will be gone. No need to carry Gibson's cap number.

Matthews is a more direct competition for Hartline... since they're both at their best outside the hashes. Hartline could probably play inside if he wanted to (he's not the ideal physical specimen to do it, but he's smart enough), but Matthews just doesn't have the savvy yet to play inside full time. Therefore he's not a direct threat to Landry or Gibson for a starting position (we play without a fullback, so the third WR is sort of a defacto starter). If the FO and coaching staff considered Matthews a viable inside option, they wouldn't have drafted Landry.

If Landry doesn't play well in training camp and in preseason then that might force the team's hand relative to Matthews, since Gibson will have to take up that role at least to start the season. You can't really be without that guy on this team because Tannehill loves throwing the ball inside the hashes. He's been that way since Ryan Swope was his favorite receiver at aTm.

Fwiw I think Landry will show well enough so that Gibson doesn't make it and therefore Matthews does. The tie often goes to the young guy with a cheaper contract in these situations, as it should. Not that I'm as high on Landry as some around here. But I think he'll show enough.

Walrus - You are one of the most respected Finheaven participants and your input is always worthwhile. Your matchup Gibson vs Landry is solid with both players having very good hands and not that fast. However, I'm shocked that you honestly expect Gibson to be cut. I have no doubt in my mind that Landry could be a real star. He is the most exciting WR that Miami has drafted in the past 15 years. But Gibson is still very good and was an underutilized weapon until he got injured.
I think we have a surplus of WR riches at the moment and some good players are going to miss out. Bill Lazor will be analyzing carefully and probably looking for the players who best fit what he wants.
I'm still of the view that Matthews is vulnerable and seems to be the one WR who has pissed off Tannehill too many times. He clearly has talent and played some good games when Gibson got injured last year, but he needs to become more consistent. I have a hunch that Matthews is not that easy to handle.

 

[dolpns13]

Gibson and a 5th for Johnson.....the texans would laugh you out of town if we offered that. Why is it we undervalue everyone else's players and over value our own. The texans would still demand at least a mid to low 2nd for Johnson
with Gibson tossed in.

Nailed it

 

[BSQ]

Philbin finally has the recieving corp he wants. He likes interchangable pieces and he now has it. Gibson was quickly becoming one of my favorite players before he got hurt. I really love the passion and desire he brings. If he is back from injury there is no way he is a cut. The big question is who will start and get the playing time when the season begins. Wallace, Hartline, Gibson, Landry and Matthews gives us a better wide reciever group than we've had in ages. We might keep 6 if one of the other guys is really too good to cut. This group gives us talent and depth. The ball is going to come out fast in Lazor's system so I'm less worried about sacks. Also, Moreno WILL be awesome for us so this offense really has a chance to be quite special.

 

[NYinBostonFin]

Dependable when on the field.....that hit would take anyone out for the season. You say it like he was so injury prone before that, which is not true.

 

[Phinatic8u]

Gibson was going to be the team's leading WR if he didn't get hurt, Unless he isn't healthy the last spot is a battle between Binns and Matthews.

 

[russianbear]

if Gibson gets cut I'll eat my hat

 

[next-year]

so hartline frequently spews "looney, rancid" anti-Semitism, has talked about killing his former girlfriend, and is prone to hate-filled diatribes slamming everyone from John Lennon to Walter Cronkite?


thanks. at least I know better than to expect a logical conversation with you.

At least I know better than to try and make a joke to you (albeit a crappy one). Sorry?

 

[TheWalrus]

Walrus - You are one of the most respected Finheaven participants and your input is always worthwhile. Your matchup Gibson vs Landry is solid with both players having very good hands and not that fast. However, I'm shocked that you honestly expect Gibson to be cut. I have no doubt in my mind that Landry could be a real star. He is the most exciting WR that Miami has drafted in the past 15 years. But Gibson is still very good and was an underutilized weapon until he got injured.
I think we have a surplus of WR riches at the moment and some good players are going to miss out. Bill Lazor will be analyzing carefully and probably looking for the players who best fit what he wants.
I'm still of the view that Matthews is vulnerable and seems to be the one WR who has pissed off Tannehill too many times. He clearly has talent and played some good games when Gibson got injured last year, but he needs to become more consistent. I have a hunch that Matthews is not that easy to handle.

It's not always whether a player is good. Sometimes a player is just redundant, especially at a role where your usage is limited, like slot WR. It would be like having a scatback on the team -- a guy who was productive but is older and coming off an ACL -- and you go and draft another scatback in the 2nd round. Do you really need two scatbacks? I don't think so. Therefore your older scatback isn't really in competition with your short yardage back because it's not like you're going to cut him and keep two scatbacks. What he's really doing is waiting for something to go wrong with the new guy, or he's toast.

The thing about Gibson was that he was an outside WR until he came to Miami. I remember there was a lot of skepticism of whether he would work inside. As I recall CK did a lengthy breakdown on Gibson's mental mistakes while he was a Ram, doubting whether he would make the transition. But it ended up being a good scouting job by Ireland and Gaine and he fit remarkably well into that role. At this point I don't see him going back outside. I think he's strictly inside. And I think Landry is going to be best inside, too. So how do you get them both on the field at the same time, then? I don't see it... barring Landry flopping in training camp or getting injured.

 

[dolfin530]

Gibson was great before he got hurt and he doesn't cost a lot. Wallace, Hartline, Gibson, Landry, Mathews, Binns. Sounds really good IMO.

 

[So Be]

It's not always whether a player is good. Sometimes a player is just redundant, especially at a role where your usage is limited, like slot WR. It would be like having a scatback on the team -- a guy who was productive but is older and coming off an ACL -- and you go and draft another scatback in the 2nd round. Do you really need two scatbacks? I don't think so. Therefore your older scatback isn't really in competition with your short yardage back because it's not like you're going to cut him and keep two scatbacks. What he's really doing is waiting for something to go wrong with the new guy, or he's toast.

The thing about Gibson was that he was an outside WR until he came to Miami. I remember there was a lot of skepticism of whether he would work inside. As I recall CK did a lengthy breakdown on Gibson's mental mistakes while he was a Ram, doubting whether he would make the transition. But it ended up being a good scouting job by Ireland and Gaine and he fit remarkably well into that role. At this point I don't see him going back outside. I think he's strictly inside. And I think Landry is going to be best inside, too. So how do you get them both on the field at the same time, then? I don't see it... barring Landry flopping in training camp or getting injured.

As you say, Gibson was a boundary receiver with the Rams, and pretty good, and many did not think he could adapt to the slot, which he did very well. IMO, that versatility adds to his value. I don't see any reason, other than health, to get rid of anyone. Having some legit depth is certainly not a bad thing.

 

[TheWalrus]

As you say, Gibson was a boundary receiver with the Rams, and pretty good, and many did not think he could adapt to the slot, which he did very well. IMO, that versatility adds to his value. I don't see any reason, other than health, to get rid of anyone. Having some legit depth is certainly not a bad thing.

And I was one of those who was skeptical, so I could certainly be wrong here, too. But can you really see an NFL team keep a guy who's main role is as a backup slot receiver and fill-in outside receiver for $2.7 million?

Receiver isn't like DL where you can justify keeping multiple guys making reasonable money because you have an active rotation where everyone is playing. Your top receivers tend to play as many downs as they can.

 

[hoops]

I think Matthews Gibson and Landry can all play outside as well but ideal they are slots...Gibson if he is the odd man out I think will come down to the staff views him As a more east and west option and they want to get more vertical with the routes etc that and Gibbs shows fear on the inside around traffic that you don't really want...Mathews and Landry will nut up more...especially landry

 

[So Be]

And I was one of those who was skeptical, so I could certainly be wrong here, too. But can you really see an NFL team keep a guy who's main role is as a backup slot receiver and fill-in outside receiver for $2.7 million?

Receiver isn't like DL where you can justify keeping multiple guys making reasonable money because you have an active rotation where everyone is playing. Your top receivers tend to play as many downs as they can.

Money wise, Gibson is a $3.7M cap hit if we keep him, and a $1.7M hit if we do not. I don't consider money an issue here because we simply do not need it more than a good player.

Many things have to play out in camp. Is Landry really that good? Have fences been mended with Matthews and Philbin? IF healthy, I want to keep him, and believe it will be the right choice for this team, this QB, and this year.

 

[roy_miami]

It's not always whether a player is good. Sometimes a player is just redundant, especially at a role where your usage is limited, like slot WR. It would be like having a scatback on the team -- a guy who was productive but is older and coming off an ACL -- and you go and draft another scatback in the 2nd round. Do you really need two scatbacks? I don't think so. Therefore your older scatback isn't really in competition with your short yardage back because it's not like you're going to cut him and keep two scatbacks. What he's really doing is waiting for something to go wrong with the new guy, or he's toast.

The thing about Gibson was that he was an outside WR until he came to Miami. I remember there was a lot of skepticism of whether he would work inside. As I recall CK did a lengthy breakdown on Gibson's mental mistakes while he was a Ram, doubting whether he would make the transition. But it ended up being a good scouting job by Ireland and Gaine and he fit remarkably well into that role. At this point I don't see him going back outside. I think he's strictly inside. And I think Landry is going to be best inside, too. So how do you get them both on the field at the same time, then? I don't see it... barring Landry flopping in training camp or getting injured.

Another reason for him to worry is he's operating right in the area where Tannehill is extremely effective, I'm sure the staff understands this so an above average performance to us may be "meh" to them. Kind of like how people are skeptical Moreno will be anything close to what he was in Denver last season, with manning at QB all other 10 players benefit where Manning is extremely effective, which is everywhere.

The reason I think we keep him though is Philbin doesn't seem too keen on just handing rookies jobs, him and Hickey believe in competition and enhancing the team with the draft rather use the draft as a tool to fill holes. If Landry and Gibson both turn out to be great and hopefully push each other to be even better than they would have been otherwise thats fantastic and exactly the type of atmosphere Philbin is looking for. This way you get depth and when it comes time to make decisions on contracts you have options.