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Breer: Dolphins plan to add Manning AND Tannehill

Love it.....about time this organization understood the importance of the QB position...you would think its history would have taught it that.
 
andyahs said:
Some cannot just let it go can they.......:rolleyes2:
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I just don't see how it makes sense to sign Manning over Flynn. Not just due to Manning's health concerns and age but the necessity of changing the entire offensive philosophy to accomodate Manning when Philbin was brought in to run the WCO and Flynn was developed under that system.
 
Tannehill had the smallest QB hands at the combine. From what I can glean from several articles, the average QB handsize is either 9 1/4 or 9 1/2inches (measured pinky to thumb). Generally not a good metric under any conditions, but considering his height, even more worrisome. However as the following points out, big hands do not assure success nor do small hands failure.. Here are some snippets I've found:Overall consensus, Top 3 ranked QB Measurements:Andrew Luck, Stanford: 6ft 4, 234 lbs, 10 inch hands.Robert Griffin III, Baylor: 6ft 2 ⅜, 223 lbs, 9 ½ inch hands.Ryan Tannehill, Texas A&M: 6ft 4, 221 lbs, 9 inch hands.Ryan Tannehill, who measured out to have the smallest hands of the Quarterbacks represented at the combine. Small hands is not something you want your QB to have… Nick Foles had the largest hands, at 6ft 5, 243 lbs, he has 10 ⅝ inch hands. No surprises with Andrew Luck’s size. He’s pretty much what Stanford had him listed as.
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So I went to the archives of NFL Draft scouting reports on Kolb. I found out his hand size is 9 1/4 inches (distance between outstretched thumb and pinky)...Turns out this is an average-size NFL QB hand...probably nothing to worry about. To compare, McNabb's hand size is 10 inches...Vick's is a smallish 8 1/2 inches...No doubt having a bigger hand could be an advantage to a QB's grip on the ball in bad weather conditions or when escaping a pass rush...but how much of a factor is hand size really? Does it really matter to the ability to make a strong deep throw? And just where does "hand size" fit on the list of an NFL scouting report on a QB?I always turn to BIOTECH BOY for inspiration on questions like these. As usual, he did not let me down:The Packers’ Brett Favre had his hand measured at 10 3/8 inches, from thumb tip to pinkie tip, during the National Football scouting combine in 1991. Favre’s grip on the ball is so enormous that the thumb and little finger of his outstretched right hand probably would cover almost exactly half the circumference of an NFL football.Daunte Culpepper’s hand size was 9½ inches at the ’99 combine. Culpepper’s hand measurement of 9½ isn’t extremely low by NFL standards, but for someone his size (6-4, 264), it is. Not only the size but also the unusual shape of Culpepper’s hands was a concern not only for the Vikings but other NFL teams before the ’99 draft. Several sources confirmed that Culpepper has what is commonly referred to as a “web hand.” It’s a hereditary condition in which his fingers don’t separate easily because the skin between them is connected upward toward the knuckles more than normal.Michael Vick, who stands barely 6-0, has merely an 8½-inch hand. However, Drew Brees, who stands just 6-0½, has a hand of 10¼. In the ballyhooed quarterback class of 1999 that included Culpepper, Tim Couch’s hand was 9 7/8, Donovan McNabb’s hand was 10-0, Akili Smith’s was 9¾ and Cade McNown’s was 9 3/8. A list of other quarterbacks and their hand sizes includes Brad Johnson (10 1/8), Patrick Ramsey (10-0), David Carr (9¾), Joey Harrington (9¾), Trent Dilfer (9 5/8), Jay Fiedler (9½), J.T. O’Sullivan (9½), Jake Plummer (9¼) and Chris Chandler (9¼). One of the largest measures of any quarterback drafted in the first round was the 11¼ of Jim Druckenmiller. He was a bust, as was Heath Shuler (10 5/8 ). David Klingler (9¼) had a small hand and flopped.http://www.rantsports.com/washington-redskins/2012/02/24/washington-redskins-2012-nfl-combine-news-and-notes/
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good.....Tannehill is talented.

no to Weeden. 28 years old. Are you f'n kidding me. He will be 30 by the time he is ready to start, if he is ready to start.
 
If we sign Manning I just don't see how Tannehill would be our pick at #8. If Manning is your QB, then you're #1 priority above all others is to make sure he's protected. That means shoring up the offensive line. #2 is giving him another weapon (like an upgrade at slot reciever or a big TE), then #3 is a pass rusher.

I would hope that if Manning is our QB we'll be able to some how trade out of the top 10 and pick up an extra 2nd rounder.

Look at it this way: If Tannehill gets past us at #8, whom else is going to pick him in the first round? If Indy, Washington, and Cleveland already drafted their QBs (or got Flynn), they won't be trading back up into the bottom of the 1st round to get him. You would have to worry about Seattle and maybe a little bit about KC.

In this senario I think one of 2 things will happen: Tannehill will fall to the 2nd round which is probably about where he should be picked or Shannahan will jump the gun and overdraft the kid at #6 (because Cleveland leapfrogged them and took RG3). Where Flynn and Manning go Impacts Tannehill's stuation more than any other QB's in the draft.
 
Lou, don't forget Jeff Saturday may come with him sliding Pouncey to guard. There are several viable options at RT that can be addressed in free agency.
 
mfish41 said:
I'v only seen Tannenhill play a few times, but i don't think he's anything special from what i've seen.
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I'm the first one to admit I'm no college football guru. I don't watch much college ball; however, Green Bay has a proven track record over the years of developing QBs. I'm thrilled that the Dolphins did exactly what I wanted them to do: pluck someone from a winning organization. Also, Sherman as we all know coached Tannehill so if he wants him, I'm all for it.
 
LouPhinFan said:
If we sign Manning I just don't see how Tannehill would be our pick at #8. If Manning is your QB, then you're #1 priority above all others is to make sure he's protected. That means shoring up the offensive line. #2 is giving him another weapon (like an upgrade at slot reciever or a big TE), then #3 is a pass rusher.

I would hope that if Manning is our QB we'll be able to some how trade out of the top 10 and pick up an extra 2nd rounder.

Look at it this way: If Tannehill gets past us at #8, whom else is going to pick him in the first round? If Indy, Washington, and Cleveland already drafted their QBs (or got Flynn), they won't be trading back up into the bottom of the 1st round to get him. You would have to worry about Seattle and maybe a little bit about KC.

In this senario I think one of 2 things will happen: Tannehill will fall to the 2nd round which is probably about where he should be picked or Shannahan will jump the gun and overdraft the kid at #6 (because Cleveland leapfrogged them and took RG3). Where Flynn and Manning go Impacts Tannehill's stuation more than any other QB's in the draft.
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There's more than 4 teams who need a QB. Someone will draft him if he makes it past #8. No one cares about overdrafting a player if he turns out to be a stud, especially@QB. OL can be had later. Other teams find a way to do it all the time. Long term success at QB is priority #1.
 
Nublar7 said:
I really like the sound of that scenario. Tannehill isn't a polished product but I am sure Sherman can tell Ireland and Philbin everything they need to know about him. If they feel he is worth the 8th pick, I think they know what they are getting. A healthy Manning for a few years and then Tannehill taking over like Rodgers in Green Bay is awesome.

Though it could easily backfire with Manning never being healthy and Tannehill being a draft bust. However, if this is the route they go, not sure you can complain that they didn't address the position.
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I would give you 100 "thanks" if I could. Thats exactly my thoughts. 100% agree with all of that, Amen!

Especially when you mentioned if it doesnt work then no one should complain that we didnt try. If we go the "safer" route with Flynn, more than likely he isnt going to be elite and we just look like fools AGAIN (ala AJ Feeley) no one can blame us for signing Peyton Manning. And I really think Matt Moore and maybe even Tannehill can be just as good as Flynn.

Also if we go the Peyton Manning route, we most likely draft a QB early, so we'll more options at QB. If we sign Flynn then we have Flynn and Matt Moore and MAYBE a UDFA QB.
 
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