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Browns questioned Tannehill's leadership

KTOWNFINFAN said:
Peyton would not be the first guy I can think of that I would want to be on my side in a bar fight
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Idk, 6'5" 230 lbs, the guy sure does have the measurables to get you out of a jam. Just look at how tiny he makes Deion Sanders look below...

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ckparrothead said:
I don't think it's a significant concern to be honest. Cleveland's not wrong, but it's not going to matter that much either. The three keys in being a leader are confidence, talent and effort...and the first two have to come before the last. I think everyone realized Ryan Tannehill probably isn't where he's going to end up being from either confidence or talent standpoints. And when you get all that 'effort' before you have the confidence or talent, that's when you get a Brock Osweiler.
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ck, thank you for the balanced observations. It's refreshing and without them this thread would be a mud-dishing festival at the Browns with a few guys breaking from the pack to denounce the Tannehill selection. The Browns' assessment is just different, not wrong. Their perspective and desire is different.

The truth on a prospect like Tannehill will always lie somewhere in the middle. It is really tough to step into an environment full of seniors and exude leadership and confidence, and thankfully there have been plenty of great leaders who stepped out of the shadows after learning the ropes. If anyone knows Tannehill, it's Sherman, and I'm comfortable that the Dolphins rolled the dice on a prospect like him full well knowing that he may not be everything. It's an educated risk at worst and major win at best.
 
BlueFin said:
The Browns are not exactly the model of perfection when it comes to talent evaluation in the recent past.

When did we become the gold standard by which drafting QBs is known for?

I saw exactly the opposite during Gruden's QB camp and we've heard quite the opposite coming out of Dolphins camp.

So you are basing everything on the 30 minute Gruden "feel good" QB camp?.

The Browns draft pick will be a 29 year old rookie when the season starts, and frankly he did not impress me as an intelligent leader when I've heard him interviewed (if thats what were gonna base it on).

How many hours did you interview and spend with both Weedon and Tannehill?
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If you cannot handle the truth then you will fall for the lies.
 
I think that a 5 year age difference, and 4 years playing professional baseball might have given him an edge in the interview department. I'm nof holding that against RT. I have faith that he will turn out to be a very good QB down the road. Weeden is more of a "let's try to win NOW" guy. We aren't there yet. Not in the 1st year under Philbin.
 
FishTank said:
ck, thank you for the balanced observations. It's refreshing and without them this thread would be a mud-dishing festival at the Browns with a few guys breaking from the pack to denounce the Tannehill selection. The Browns' assessment is just different, not wrong. Their perspective and desire is different.

The truth on a prospect like Tannehill will always lie somewhere in the middle. It is really tough to step into an environment full of seniors and exude leadership and confidence, and thankfully there have been plenty of great leaders who stepped out of the shadows after learning the ropes. If anyone knows Tannehill, it's Sherman, and I'm comfortable that the Dolphins rolled the dice on a prospect like him full well knowing that he may not be everything. It's an educated risk at worst and major win at best.
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The thing not enough people talk about is, yeah if anyone knows it's going to be Sherman, but if anyone has a reason to be biased, it's also Sherman. Coaches take a liking to their players, especially college coaches and college players...and Tannehill was a guy that went ten levels beyond, as far as being a 'team player' goes.

Remember Steve Spurrier with the Redskins blindly standing behind Danny Wuerffel as his quarterback?

I'm not saying that's what is happening here, but it is a possibility, and I think it's one that Ireland was wary of, which is why he sought opinions from trusted friends around the league. It was important to him that he already liked Ryan Tannehill before Philbin/Sherman came on board. It was important to him to get opinions from not just Mike Sherman but also Zac Taylor, and surprisingly also Jim Turner who coached TAMU's offensive line and would typically not be a guy you'd interview about the quarterback. However, when Turner arrived at Texas A&M, he had just coached Joe Flacco, and so he had a unique perspective. The possibility of bias made Jeff Ireland extremely nervous and finnicky about this pick. He wanted to hear from as many people as possible that this was a good idea. Conveniently, if Tannehill fails, Jeff also can try and diffuse his blame onto all those other people too ("Well, everyone liked him, I wasn't the only one...")
 
ckparrothead said:
There may be a ring of truth to this as far as what they really feel, however they're making a concerted effort to consolidate support for Brandon Weeden.

Weeden came into rookie camp and OTAs as advertised, impressing everyone with his pure accuracy, timing, throwing ability, mental processing and leadership. They had intended to let Weeden win the job in training camp, but now that is speeding up significantly and there's been a change from a "competition" language, to the Sam Bradford model. The Sam Bradford model involved declaring Sam the starter pretty much right at the kickoff of training camp. They're trying to tap dance around their initial talk about "competition" by claiming that what they really wanted to see was Brandon Weeden come onto the field and "show" that he is who they thought they were drafting in the 1st round. It's a subtle move from a language standpoint but it's actually a pretty significant move. Essentially, whatever "competition" they intended, Brandon Weeden already won it, and so now they're shifting everything in the organization, media and fan base to line up behind the guy.

Part of that is a concerted effort to downplay their interest in other quarterbacks. They didn't just trash talk Tannehill. They said RG3 is "too small" and "too eager to show how fast he can run". They downplayed their interest in trading up for him, saying they only called up the Rams to say they tried, but RG3 was not who they really wanted. They said Matt Flynn is as short as Colt McCoy and has the same "pop gun" arm. And then that's when they said what they said about Ryan Tannehill.

Things are moving more quickly with Brandon Weeden there than even they imagined, so they're just trying to get everyone in line. It's a love fest. Any minute the MPAA is going to label the Cleveland Browns and Brandon Weeden NC-17. They're getting pretty worked up about him.

Part of me is jealous. I don't think Ryan Tannehill is going to be as inspirational in Miami as Weeden is in Cleveland.
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weeden didnt fit in here. plain and simple. tannehill will have the longer and better career imo and thats not just bc he is a phin, ive been saying it forever. i wish i saw what you saw in weeden but just dont. and we will see once the bullets start flying.
 
ckparrothead said:
Remember Steve Spurrier with the Redskins blindly standing behind Danny Wuerffel as his quarterback?
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Not a good analogy! Danny Wuerffel was a 4th round pick selected by New Orleans, and by the time he got to Washington was already considered by most to be an professional journeyman having played for Green Bay and Chicago respectfully. That said, I understood what you meant.
 
They questionTannehill's leadership and they said RGIII is too small. Who cares what they think?!?!
 
MDFINFAN said:
http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post/_/id/43185/browns-questioned-tannehills-leadership

Mike H. felt this way, the QB guru from GB to Seattle to Cleveland, and we're using the same pike line with a different opinion. Interesting.
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Yeah because the Browns have such a winning tradition and expertise at knowing how to pick winning players and QB's. Hahahaha....what a joke. Can you say Brian Sipe and Bernie Kosar...and they were probably two of the best QB's they have had over the years, which should tell you a lot.
 
Maybe he didn't want to be a Brown and it showed during the interview. Can't say I blame him.
 
From the interviews I have seen of Ryan T. He seemed to be a pretty mature guys. Maybe he just didn't want to play in Cleveland. Maybe he gave a less than enthusiastic interview.
 
Question is if we didn't take RT and he was still there at Clevelands 2nd pick in first round would they have taken weeden still? I doubt it. What are they going to say? We really wanted RT but he was gone so we took Weeden?
 
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