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Cam Cameron is a LOSER

Cameron has some good points.
He worked for Norv Turner with the Redskins.
He actually has somehow got Marty to play a more agressive offensive offense in San Diego.
Drew Brees did improve a lot under Cameron.

Now for the bad.
Norv Turner, while being a great offensive coach was a poor head coach.
Lee Corso(yes the guy on ESPN's Gameday who puts on the mascot head to make a pick) had a better record than Cameron did at Indiana(Corso 37.5%, Cameron 32.9%).
Cameron is not exactly into keeping tradition. When he was at Indiana he had the team wear black helmets. After he was fired there Indiana eliminated any trace of black by declaring that all Indiana teams must wear only crimson and cream.
 
Amars said:
:lol: I dont watch jets football so I really dont know much about him.
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Here's his Bio

He's 33(same age Shula was a HC), been around coaching since birth. 8 years in the NFL going on 9, 10-11 years of coaching total. He's coached under Vermeil, Spurrier, Cameron, Mangini, his Dad, etc.

Has put together a good offense with the Jets with what is IMO average talent.
 
EAZY 0 said:
saban didnt make me look like anything.

i still despise the media. they are wrong more times than not.

i dont know that cam is a bad choice, but i do think its a huge risk making him HC, especially for us. We need someone that will bring credibility and stability.

for every mangini, there is a norv turner
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A little contradictory there isn't it? That's the basis of this thread you started, calling him a loser. Anyway, nobody knows how a coach will turn out, it's the chance you take, but you can't have it both ways, either you want young blood with fire who needs the chance or you want the proven winner, but last time I checked all those guys already have jobs.
 
EAZY 0 said:
just look at his record as a head coach...PATHETIC

Enough of this "we need an offensive coordinator" stuff


we need a coach that is a proven winner
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Proven NFL winners do not grow on trees unless Bill Cowher wants the job.

his college record means nothing. If college success was any indicator than Dennis Erickson would be the best coach in the NFL. No coach has turned Indiana into a proven winner.
 
"...CAM CAMERON'S RECORD AS A HEAD COACH: 18- 37, .327 WINNING PERCENTAGE. STILL WANT HIM?"

Think of it this way. If he was considered a candidate straight out of Indiana, we would all be freaking out right now. The 2 top seeds in the NFC both have HC who previously had ZERO head coaching backgrounds. Other than Belichick and Marty in sanDiego, can anyone think of a coach whe was terrible as a HC, then turned it around when given a second chance?
 
I really don't think there is that many good coaching candidates out there. Cowher is probably going to stop coaching for a couple of years, Denny Green sucks, Mora i'm like 50/50 on, Cam sounds interesting but who knows if he can get the job done. Rivera from the Bears is probably going to be high on the list.
 
Eazy I respect your opinion, but you mention that we need a "proven winner."

1) I would like to hear some of your suggestions. The only one I can think of that could be available is Cowher, and he is unlikely for us. So please give us some likely candidates who are proven winners.

2) When we hired Saban he couldve been considered a "proven winner" and it backfired. Steve Spurrier was a proven winner also and he didnt work out. So besides colleges coaches who have won, and who we know now are very risky, please give us some candidates who are more proven that Cam.
 
IHearJimi said:
"...CAM CAMERON'S RECORD AS A HEAD COACH: 18- 37, .327 WINNING PERCENTAGE. STILL WANT HIM?"

Think of it this way. If he was considered a candidate straight out of Indiana, we would all be freaking out right now. The 2 top seeds in the NFC both have HC who previously had ZERO head coaching backgrounds. Other than Belichick and Marty in sanDiego, can anyone think of a coach whe was terrible as a HC, then turned it around when given a second chance?
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Also the Indiana job is far behind him, this would not exactly be his second chance, he is basically on keel with all the other assistants that bhave never been head coaches witht he exception he does have experience of running the whole show.
 
cellman007 said:
Dude you are the same person that started a thread a couple of days ago ripping everyone on here for listening to the media reports that Saban was leaving, that you hadn't seen facts about any communication between him and Alabama, when it was all over the place, and that he said "he wouldn't be the coach at Alabama', That's all the proof you needed and we were all idiots, and the press was a bunch of losers....etc, now you seem to know that Cameron is a bad choice, hmm I think I'll leave it up to people who know what the hell they are talking about.

personally sounds like sour grapes to me, just mad Saban made you look like a fool I guess.
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C'mon. Get real. Open up a newspaper today and read what the vast majority of the national media is saying about Nick Saban. There are a lot of people who are perplexed by what Saban did.
And for all those who are saying, "well, I knew it was coming", I don't buy it for one minute. My opinion is that there were generally three types of reactions:
1) The majority of fans couldn't believe the stories because there was no proof at all presented in the first reports that Saban was leaving. He actually said: "I'm not going to be coaching in Alabama". People took him for his word, because up to that point, there was absolutely no reason to believe otherwise. Even at his PC on New Year's day, he sounded as if he was staying.
2) There were some fans who disliked Saban and wanted to see him go. They were hoping that the stories about his imminent departure were true.
3) There were fans who beleive everything that is put in print, regardless of the source.

At the end of the day, yes, Saban did leave, and there was some truth to certain people's opinions, but go back and do a media scan and you'll be hard pressed to see any meaningful reporting that would substantiate what was about to happen.
Saban's departure is a shock. I really liked him as a coach and beleive that he would have had a lot of success here but after what transpired in the last few weeks, I have lost a lot of respect for the man. And now that he has shown his true colours, I'm glad he is not our coach.
 
phinphanforever said:
C'mon. Get real. Open up a newspaper today and read what the vast majority of the national media is saying about Nick Saban. There are a lot of people who are perplexed by what Saban did.
And for all those who are saying, "well, I knew it was coming", I don't buy it for one minute. My opinion is that there were generally three types of reactions:
1) The majority of fans couldn't believe the stories because there was no proof at all presented in the first reports that Saban was leaving. He actually said: "I'm not going to be coaching in Alabama". People took him for his word, because up to that point, there was absolutely no reason to believe otherwise. Even at his PC on New Year's day, he sounded as if he was staying.
2) There were some fans who disliked Saban and wanted to see him go. They were hoping that the stories about his imminent departure were true.
3) There were fans who beleive everything that is put in print, regardless of the source.

At the end of the day, yes, Saban did leave, and there was some truth to certain people's opinions, but go back and do a media scan and you'll be hard pressed to see any meaningful reporting that would substantiate what was about to happen.
Saban's departure is a shock. I really liked him as a coach and beleive that he would have had a lot of success here but after what transpired in the last few weeks, I have lost a lot of respect for the man. And now that he has shown his true colours, I'm glad he is not our coach.
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The were actually many unoffical people saying that it was going to happen, one a fairly prominent so called insider from Alabama that made the call that it was going to happen a while back and was already talking about him getting Steele and possibly Fisher as assistants.
 
Billk78 said:
Eazy I respect your opinion, but you mention that we need a "proven winner."

1) I would like to hear some of your suggestions. The only one I can think of that could be available is Cowher, and he is unlikely for us. So please give us some likely candidates who are proven winners.

2) When we hired Saban he couldve been considered a "proven winner" and it backfired. Steve Spurrier was a proven winner also and he didnt work out. So besides colleges coaches who have won, and who we know now are very risky, please give us some candidates who are more proven that Cam.
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capers, cowher, parcells, holmgren, gruden, saunders, fisher, vermeil etc.


i just dont think cameron has the experience right now...this franchise is very fragile at this point
 
EAZY 0 said:
capers, cowher, parcells, holmgren, gruden, saunders, etc.


i just dont think cameron has the experience right now...this franchise is very fragile at this point
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Saunders is basically in the same status as Cameron although I would love him as coach. As for Gruden he may have won a superbowl but his record at Tampa sucks. You are not getting any of the other guys and Parcells is a super nomad that would only coach for a few years anyway.
 
EAZY 0 said:
capers, cowher, parcells, holmgren, gruden, saunders, etc.


i just dont think cameron has the experience right now...this franchise is very fragile at this point
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other than Capers, they all already have jobs last I check and technically so does Capers. As for Cowher he's still under contract with the Steelers thru '07 and they are gonna want the kinda package Oakland got for Gruden from Tampa, and no way we can stand to lose all those draft pics, especially as fragile as you think the team is, and Saunders hasn't exactly looked too impressive with the Redskins, so I still think you gotta give someone young a shot, not neccessarily Cameron, but gotta start somewhere.
 
if he is such a loser why not get mike martz?
 
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