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Camp report day 5 night practice.

Not to compare Feely to Marino, but just to add some perspective: Marino looked like **** in the pre-season more than a few times. But somehow, someway, when it mattered he "clicked" and became the Marino we all know and love.

The point of that being, it's really hard to judge much from the pre-season, and especially this much of it. It's one week, it's a little early to be judging much of anything, isn't it?
 
Never say die said:
Here's my take on Feeley. He's again learning a new offense-which works to his defense. But from what we noticed last year and evidentally what OZZY and others are saying is still the case, his problems have nothing to do with arm strength, but are all mental.

When a play is called the QB is naturally gonna have either a designed or expected primarary receiver in mind for the play. The route of the receivers though are probably designed with alternatives to what the defense gives him. So just because the play is designed with a primarary receiver (either from the coaches, or in the QB's own mind) doesn't necessarily mean the defense facing that receiver is ideal for the play called. That's why it is crucial for the QB to go through his reads and check down to the open man.

Feeley doesn't do this well. He seems bent on getting the ball to the primarary irregardless of the coverage. Almost as if he doesn't know the progression of his reads per play. This does come with reps, but also film study and actually recognizing YOURSELF the tendency to lock-on too early.

That's my biggest gripe against Feeley, he just seems like a dumb-arse at times. He should be spending more time than anyone in the film room. But have we EVER read anything of his study, being obsessive with it, you know like ZT. I know, it doesn't necessarily mean it ain't so .......but you'd think one beat writer would pick up on it.
Some other things that bother me with Feeley are his Quick-decision making skills. His (need to make a quick decision) seem borne out of desperation rather than preparation. And yes, you can plan for the worst case per play, it takes knowing down and distance and a general strategic mindedness. Again, something AJ seems clueless with at times.

And finally I question his toughness at times. I know , I know pain is sometimes difficult to mask. But I played a little receiver under Johnny Majors and one thing I distinctly remember him teaching our QB's (Tony Robinson at the time) was NEVER, EVER show confusion in your body language after plays. You know, where a QB shrugs his shoulders while looking at the coach between plays. Like, "What's the play, or Whatta I do". That would send the coach in a tirade! To me showing pain has the same effect on the opposition. This was something Fiedler was MUCH, MUCH better in at masking. While Fiedler lacked arm strength for the outside throws (Which should have only been called to the short side of the field for him) his game-manship, to me seems superior to AJ's.

The bottomline is I hope the things like not seeming to know his progression, or check-offs will work themselves out through the pre-season with reps. I am worried that he's forming negative habits that he himself may not even notice, (making it incumbent upon the coaching staff to point out and drill out of him). I also give him the benefit of the doubt for learning the offense etc. But the things that are more nature than nurtured (or coached-repititious) may ultimately doom him as a solid QB.

In the end, I'm a never say die dolfan and root for anyone at any position for the 'Fins to be the best and bring us to the second undefeated season!

NEVER SAY DIE!
You question Feeley's toughness? Did you see any of the games last year? The guy was getting killed back their with our O-line. He always got back up and made an effort to keep playing.:confused:
 
dolphan north said:
Yes, but the same OL that can't handle JT handles Roth easily. I guess he might not be the beast I hoped from the start. Fair enough, he's a rookie. Maybe he will just be very good for now. That's not a knock on Roth, I just had impossible hopes I guess. Still might improve during the summer too!
Remember, when JT was a rookie, he was not yet one of the league's premier pass rushers either. It takes a while to get up to speed. JT had 5 sacks as a rookie in 13 games played. I would not expect Roth to do any better than that as a rookie. If he does, it will be a bonus.
 
bigmiamifan said:
Keep in mind, Feeley is bad at practice, as the story goes and also, it's TC. Aren't they more concerned with making and completing the throw from the play called then with checking off to their 3rd and 4th options? I mean if this was for the season I'd be concerned, it's TC, the first week no less, and it's a career bad practice(r).

Let's see what happens starting at the HOF game.

missing throws in practice is one thing....bad fundamentals in practice is another thing entirely. If Feeley doesnt look off his receiver in a controlled practice, what do you think he's gonna do in a real game when things are going 100mph and he isnt wearing a red jersey?

I hope he gets it together, but it doesnt look too f-ing good right now.
 
rafael said:
You have to look at what can be developed and what can't. Gannon always showed feel, but he had a tendency to take too many risks (for his level of arm strength). For some reason people equate a strong arm with potential. It's one of the least important things. AJ hasn't shown feel. The guys who go on to breakout seasons do.

I'm not a Feeley backer, I'm in favor of starting the best QB on the roster, whomever that may be.

I have to disagree with you in regards to evaluating Feeley's development. Gannon and Beurlein had plenty of chances to improve their game. They were both starting QBs for more than one team during their careers. Only first and second stringers get enough playing time to develop their game. Feeley was a third string QB in Philly, which means; he got as much time to improve his game on the field as Sage Rosenfels gets with us and that isn't much. Those years in Philly do not count. He finally got playing experience last year and it wasn't even a full season. It takes a QB three years to develop and play up to his expectations. Feeley had what, 12 or 13 games?? I'm not saying Feeley should be the starter, but your analysis on him is way too premature. He doesn't have to be the starter. Second string QBs get enough playing time in practice, scrimmages and pre-season games to develop into starter QBs as well.

We can all agree we got "jacked" on the trade for Feeley. :fire:
 
hey dr.feelgood
you might not want to put feely int the same sentence as marino your fellow dolphinfans might tar and feather you and air mail you to wannys camp. (kidding) it is possible that feely probally wont be the qb if doesn't start to check off on his receivers. i hope feely improves but that 12th sense of mine tells me he isnt the the man for the job. If i were a betting man i would wager a pizza that brock and sage if given a qaurter to play that they would throw more tds than feely. as of now our qb line up looks like this

ferrotte #1 feely #2 sage #3 brock # 4
the word on the street is that miami may sign another qb to to put preasure on our qbs. i could be wrong.
 
Agua said:
Feeley's always had that problem.

Yes and he still seems to have problems with rifling the short throws and throwing with a low trajectory.:lastyr: .
 
Oh man, I forgot about that problem. He would rip 100mph passes on what shoud be 5-10yard dumps. He's still doing that huh? Sheesh.

Also, why shouldn't his years in Philly count? I ABSOLUTELY think those years should count. I can't stand hearing the arguments that he was a 2nd string QB but becuase of the relationship between the kicker and the holder he had to be demoted to 3rd. NICE. What that tells me is that the 2nd QB's hold skills were more important to the team than Feely's QB skills. Am I the only one that sees that?
 
MrClean said:
Remember, when JT was a rookie, he was not yet one of the league's premier pass rushers either. It takes a while to get up to speed. JT had 5 sacks as a rookie in 13 games played. I would not expect Roth to do any better than that as a rookie. If he does, it will be a bonus.

Yes, that actually crossed my mind while I was posting. Like I said, my expectations were likely unrealistic. Roth will become great in a couple of years I hope. Imagine if it happens before JT declines, which it should. If we have both of those guys coming after the Qb.... WOOOOOOOOOO!
 
grendel said:
Roth is starting to sound like a bust! i hope not
YA HE'S A BUST...i mean..he's been in the league for a couple months now with abouy 1 full week of practice and he isnt doing JT stunts..what a bust...he should be able to get through all olinemen no matter what
 
K-Rob said:
Oh man, I forgot about that problem. He would rip 100mph passes on what shoud be 5-10yard dumps. He's still doing that huh? Sheesh.

Also, why shouldn't his years in Philly count? I ABSOLUTELY think those years should count. I can't stand hearing the arguments that he was a 2nd string QB but becuase of the relationship between the kicker and the holder he had to be demoted to 3rd. NICE. What that tells me is that the 2nd QB's hold skills were more important to the team than Feely's QB skills. Am I the only one that sees that?

The answer to that is duh. I don't know why you can't stand it, it makes perfect football sense. I guess you just don't understand the sport of football. Or simple logic as a holder goes out every game while the back up quarterback does not.
 
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