I already talked about intangibles...determination etc...You're proposing I believe in magic.
Can anyone here say that Dion Jordan looked good last year?
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I already talked about intangibles...determination etc...You're proposing I believe in magic.
I guess it begs the question do yuo trade a player who has hit his ceiling or a player that has room to grow and JI went "room to grow" thinking he would be here to recieve the pats on the back - tee hee....
dlockz
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Anybody that is drafting someone at number 3 is not expecting his player to make so little impact year one unless its a qb. Ireland fully expected better impact from his draft picks
Whats it feel like to have a horrendous fail of a thread?
Watch one of the games he played in before posting what would be just a bad opinion
Watch one of the games he played in before posting what would be just a bad opinion
POOF!
"Adams was characterized by one long-time scout as "being wired right," the same phrase used a year ago to describe wideout Keenan Allen, who was CBSSports.com's Offensive Rookie of the Year after the Chargers plucked him out of Cal in the third round."
Hoards of athletes have talent and determination. 1% of 1% have the "it" factor that makes them stand out in a certain unmeasurable way.
The "it" factor, "clutch", and any of those other magical words are nothing more than media-hyped, feel good words.
The magic that some like to believe in is nothing more than ability. Some players are better than others...no joke. However, I can run faster, longer, better than the next guy not because I'm magic. I can do those things because I have ability and work ethic/determination.
The proof is in the pudding.One example, most people think Brady is "clutch" and Manning is not. Right? Well, the reason so many believe that is because he media says so and Brady has had better TEAM success. In reality, however, Manning has better regular AND post season INDIVIDUAL stats.
In fact, studies have been done that clearly show "clutch" to be a myth. In a game like football, due to it's nature, it's harder to measure individual performance. You throw a ball well, but a guy still has to catch it, right? In baseball it's different. If you make a hit, throw a pitch etc...it's all on you, right?
The following is from one such study:
All major-league players have a demonstrated ability to perform under pressure. They've proven that by rising to the top of an enormous pyramid of players, tens of thousands of them, all trying to be one of the top 0.1% that gets to call themselves "major leaguers." Within this group of elite, who have proven themselves to be the best in the world at their jobs, there is no discernible change in their abilities when runners are on base, or when the game is tied in extra innings, or when candy and costumes and pumpkins decorate the local GigaMart. The guys who are good enough to be in the majors are all capable of succeeding and failing in these situations, and they're as likely to do one or the other in the clutch as they are at any other time. Over the course of a game, a month, a season or a career, there is virtually no evidence that any player or group of players possesses an ability to outperform his established level of ability in clutch situations, however defined.
The statistical studies of clutch have supported this point. David Grabiner did the seminal work more than a decade ago, defining clutch as performance in the late innings of close games. From the article:
The correlation between past and current clutch performance is .01, with a standard deviation of .07. In other words, there isn't a significant ability in clutch hitting; if there were, the same players would be good clutch hitters every year.
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=2656
In short...average players play average a majority of the time. Good players play good a majority of the time. Great players play great...you guessed it...a majority of the time.
What some call clutch...I, and most people that know better, call common FOR THAT PLAYER.
However, I do love your "POOF" comment...as if that is somehow some magical word that will cause me to believe that you understand anything about the scientific method.
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I never saw him as a weak defender against the run. He was undisciplined at times. He would commit to the inside and lose contain. I expect that from young players. Why do you think he was weak versus the run?
I think every dolphin fan can say he looked good. If you think otherwise than you don't understand football. It's not all about stats. He straight up made some nfl tackles look like pee wee players with the way he exploded off the line and put pressure on the qb. He had some great pressure in the colts game and a huge goaline tackle on third down that kept the colts out of the endzone. Also the reason for flacco throwing a pick 6 to reshad jones. Find the stat for pressures, think he had literally like half the snaps that ensah took and had around the same pressures.
Rookie?
dlockz
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Im pretty sure that just as many people that so calledly know football are on both sides of the equation. Most people's complaints are him against the run and our coaches that are supposed to know football better than us have said he is a liability and that's why he didn't play more.
The "it" factor, "clutch", and any of those other magical words are nothing more than media-hyped, feel good words.
The magic that some like to believe in is nothing more than ability. Some players are better than others...no joke. However, I can run faster, longer, better than the next guy not because I'm magic. I can do those things because I have ability and work ethic/determination.
The proof is in the pudding.One example, most people think Brady is "clutch" and Manning is not. Right? Well, the reason so many believe that is because he media says so and Brady has had better TEAM success. In reality, however, Manning has better regular AND post season INDIVIDUAL stats.
In fact, studies have been done that clearly show "clutch" to be a myth. In a game like football, due to it's nature, it's harder to measure individual performance. You throw a ball well, but a guy still has to catch it, right? In baseball it's different. If you make a hit, throw a pitch etc...it's all on you, right?
The following is from one such study:
All major-league players have a demonstrated ability to perform under pressure. They've proven that by rising to the top of an enormous pyramid of players, tens of thousands of them, all trying to be one of the top 0.1% that gets to call themselves "major leaguers." Within this group of elite, who have proven themselves to be the best in the world at their jobs, there is no discernible change in their abilities when runners are on base, or when the game is tied in extra innings, or when candy and costumes and pumpkins decorate the local GigaMart. The guys who are good enough to be in the majors are all capable of succeeding and failing in these situations, and they're as likely to do one or the other in the clutch as they are at any other time. Over the course of a game, a month, a season or a career, there is virtually no evidence that any player or group of players possesses an ability to outperform his established level of ability in clutch situations, however defined.
The statistical studies of clutch have supported this point. David Grabiner did the seminal work more than a decade ago, defining clutch as performance in the late innings of close games. From the article:
The correlation between past and current clutch performance is .01, with a standard deviation of .07. In other words, there isn't a significant ability in clutch hitting; if there were, the same players would be good clutch hitters every year.
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=2656
In short...average players play average a majority of the time. Good players play good a majority of the time. Great players play great...you guessed it...a majority of the time.
What some call clutch...I, and most people that know better, call common FOR THAT PLAYER.
However, I do love your "POOF" comment...as if that is somehow some magical word that will cause me to believe that you understand anything about the scientific method.
Baseball? What's that?
i am really starting to think the people who say jordan was explosive and put non stop pressure on the qb when he was on the field just see the game so much better and clearer than an idiot like myself. i wish i could see all the great things jordan did and all the potential he showed in his limited snaps. i wish i didnt see a guy who looked slow, had zero pass rush moves and pretty much did nothing but for a few plays all year....
Zero pass rush moves - yes - slow? no
He was a liability against the run for all the things you mentioned. Some of Jordan's problems against the run has to do with his inexperience in playing the position as he has only been playing defense for about three years.
More important to me is that Dion spent most of the off-season rehabbing instead of getting stronger and working on the techniques needed to perform adequately against the run. Hopefully his shoulder is healed and he can worked on all the things needed to be the difference maker many here hope he can be.
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Being a rookie had something to do with. The lack of strength, awareness and technique are the others.