Can the Chicago Bears Pry Jake Long From Miami Dolphins?

[The Omen]

Jake Long isnt going anywhere. We all know it. The media knows it. The fans know it. Jeff Ireland knows it. Jake Long knows it. What's the point really?

and Add Philbin to the list of guys who know it...

Long isn't going anywhere unless we get a kings ransom for him ala what the Skins paid for RGIII

 

[3rdandinches]

and Add Philbin to the list of guys who know it...

Long isn't going anywhere unless we get a kings ransom for him ala what the Skins paid for RGIII

A kings ransom for a QB is different then what you would get for an Olineman no mater how good he is.

 

[CANDolphan]

He would not go for a 1st and 3rd. Be realistic. Jason Peters is consistently graded out as a top 5 LT and he was traded to the Eagles for a 1st round pick and a 4th round pick. If Chicago was willing to give Miami a 1st round pick and a 4th/5th round pick, Ireland pretty much has to do it. Jake has injury problems, he is going to command a whopping 12-15% of our cap room, and we could use the future 1st rounder to fill any hole created.

Anything below a 1st, and then I say no. But a 1st rounder, even knowing it's a mid to bottom 1st rounder? Yes, I take that every time. Jake has all the talent in the world, but I have faith that Ireland could more than fill the void left by Long. Martin won't be a Long type LT (top 3 in the league) but we will have health on our side, and you don't need an absolute stud at the LT position. I'd take "very good" play from the entire O-line versus an average of "good" play along the whole line with an elite LT.

Look at the Jason Peters trade and you have yourself a very similar situation. Top tier LT who wants to be paid a massive contract both around the age of 26/27 when they would be traded. 1st and 4th for Jake Long I would take immediately.

 

[The Omen]

He would not go for a 1st and 3rd. Be realistic. Jason Peters is consistently graded out as a top 5 LT and he was traded to the Eagles for a 1st round pick and a 4th round pick. If Chicago was willing to give Miami a 1st round pick and a 4th/5th round pick, Ireland pretty much has to do it. Jake has injury problems, he is going to command a whopping 12-15% of our cap room, and we could use the future 1st rounder to fill any hole created.

Anything below a 1st, and then I say no. But a 1st rounder, even knowing it's a mid to bottom 1st rounder? Yes, I take that every time. Jake has all the talent in the world, but I have faith that Ireland could more than fill the void left by Long. Martin won't be a Long type LT (top 3 in the league) but we will have health on our side, and you don't need an absolute stud at the LT position. I'd take "very good" play from the entire O-line versus an average of "good" play along the whole line with an elite LT.

Look at the Jason Peters trade and you have yourself a very similar situation. Top tier LT who wants to be paid a massive contract both around the age of 26/27 when they would be traded. 1st and 4th for Jake Long I would take immediately.

comparing Jason Peters to Jake Long is like comparing Ryan Fitzpatrick to Drew Breese.

and no you don't take ONLY a mid 1st round pick for him... You don't get elite LT in the middle of the first round unless you get very lucky. How quickly people forget how starved we were for a solid LT for so long (pun) till Jake came around... Now that we have him, you're willing to let him go for a mid 1st rounder?

Yikes!

 

[Kinzua]

A kings ransom for a QB is different then what you would get for an Olineman no mater how good he is.

Not an "Olineman", sweetpea, an All Pro left tackle. Next to the QB, the most important guy on the offense, and good ones are hard to find, so you pay him. Good OT play is so important to making the entire offense, both pass and run, go that you can't just let a good one walk. You don't realize how much you need that big ugly on the left side until you don't have him in there.

The chances of Miami getting another LT as good as Long and in his prime are slim and none. Yes, the Fins might get a couple of firsts for him and they might have another decent LT in Jon Martin, but an All Pro LT in hand is worth more than 2 or 3 might-bes, which is all that draft picks are.

Furthermore, as I always ask some of my fellow Bills fans who seem to always want to trade good/great established players for draft picks, why do you hate your team so much that all you want to do is help help other teams with the guys the your own team developed? F the Bears (or whatever team). Let them find and develop their own LT.

 

[foozool13]

Id consider it for 2 1st rounders. Nothing less.

 

[Kinzua]

He would not go for a 1st and 3rd. Be realistic. Jason Peters is consistently graded out as a top 5 LT and he was traded to the Eagles for a 1st round pick and a 4th round pick. If Chicago was willing to give Miami a 1st round pick and a 4th/5th round pick, Ireland pretty much has to do it. Jake has injury problems, he is going to command a whopping 12-15% of our cap room, and we could use the future 1st rounder to fill any hole created.

Anything below a 1st, and then I say no. But a 1st rounder, even knowing it's a mid to bottom 1st rounder? Yes, I take that every time. Jake has all the talent in the world, but I have faith that Ireland could more than fill the void left by Long. Martin won't be a Long type LT (top 3 in the league) but we will have health on our side, and you don't need an absolute stud at the LT position. I'd take "very good" play from the entire O-line versus an average of "good" play along the whole line with an elite LT.

Look at the Jason Peters trade and you have yourself a very similar situation. Top tier LT who wants to be paid a massive contract both around the age of 26/27 when they would be traded. 1st and 4th for Jake Long I would take immediately.

The Bills only got a first and a fourth for Peters because Russ Brandon and Dick Jauron were total asshats. Since this is a Miami MB, I won't go into the gory, disgusting details but suffice to say that those two cretins got robbed blind by Andy Reid. That trade will go down in history as probably the stupidest trade ever made by the Bills, topping even the stupid one back in the 1960s where they sent QB Daryl Lamonica to Oakland for a washed up QB and a washed up WR. It has to be one of the stupidest trades in NFL history, too. uke:

BTW, the Bills have been paying for that disaster since it happened. uke:

 

[dolpns13]

I was shocked, and happy when they traded him. Although he did have injury concerns didnt he?

The Bills only got a first and a fourth for Peters because Russ Brandon and Dick Jauron were total asshats. Since this is a Miami MB, I won't go into the gory, disgusting details but suffice to say that those two cretins got robbed blind by Andy Reid. That trade will go down in history as probably the stupidest trade ever made by the Bills, topping even the stupid one back in the 1960s where they sent QB Daryl Lamonica to Oakland for a washed up QB and a washed up WR. It has to be one of the stupidest trades in NFL history, too. uke:

BTW, the Bills have been paying for that disaster since it happened. uke:

 

[Roman529]

Yeah and there also is a possibility we could pry Tom Brady from the Patriots. :rolleyes2:

 

[hoops]

nothing to worry about...if miami wants to keep him they'll make it happen

 

[insomnia411]

I would have much rather traded Long for a first and a third than Marshall for two ****ty 3rd round picks.

 

[hoops]

as for jason peter and a 1st and a 4th peter was a fine prospect but he was still coming into his own when the bills traded him...and heck it took him a little while to get his legs and body right in philly before in 2011 he was the best left tackle in the game...i think as consistent as jake has been and as highly rated as he is around the league that he pulls more than a 1st and 4th round return...i doubt 2 1st would be in play but a 1st and a 3rd especially for a team who feels they are blindside qb protection away like maybe a bears etc would be more than willing to make that deal provided they work out a long term extension

the problem with that though is your getting mid to late round return on both those picks...only way i see longs value going in the toilet is if he were to get seriously hurt again in 2012 and miss significant time...injuries are starting to become a concern with him

 

[miamiron]

However, Long is the best in the league at his position, and someone we need to keep around. .

Joe Thomas disagrees
3 time all pro 2009-2010-2011
1 time all pro 2nd team 2008

Jake Long
1 time 1st team all pro 2010
1 time 2nd team all pro 2009

 

[utahphinsfan]

Jake Long isnt going anywhere. We all know it. The media knows it. The fans know it. Jeff Ireland knows it. Jake Long knows it. What's the point really?

Do the Bears think that Ireland fell off a turnip truck just because they more or less "stole" Marshall?

In terms of grey matter; Soldier Field must be light years away from the University of Chicago & Northwestern.

This IMO is one of those times when Bears fans make jest fans look like Noble Prize winners.

 

[fakespike]

Not an "Olineman", sweetpea, an All Pro left tackle. Next to the QB, the most important guy on the offense, and good ones are hard to find, so you pay him. Good OT play is so important to making the entire offense, both pass and run, go that you can't just let a good one walk. You don't realize how much you need that big ugly on the left side until you don't have him in there.

The chances of Miami getting another LT as good as Long and in his prime are slim and none. Yes, the Fins might get a couple of firsts for him and they might have another decent LT in Jon Martin, but an All Pro LT in hand is worth more than 2 or 3 might-bes, which is all that draft picks are.

Furthermore, as I always ask some of my fellow Bills fans who seem to always want to trade good/great established players for draft picks, why do you hate your team so much that all you want to do is help help other teams with the guys the your own team developed? F the Bears (or whatever team). Let them find and develop their own LT.

Your marklars are wise and true.

He would not go for a 1st and 3rd. Be realistic. Jason Peters is consistently graded out as a top 5 LT and he was traded to the Eagles for a 1st round pick and a 4th round pick. If Chicago was willing to give Miami a 1st round pick and a 4th/5th round pick, Ireland pretty much has to do it. Jake has injury problems, he is going to command a whopping 12-15% of our cap room, and we could use the future 1st rounder to fill any hole created.

Anything below a 1st, and then I say no. But a 1st rounder, even knowing it's a mid to bottom 1st rounder? Yes, I take that every time. Jake has all the talent in the world, but I have faith that Ireland could more than fill the void left by Long. Martin won't be a Long type LT (top 3 in the league) but we will have health on our side, and you don't need an absolute stud at the LT position. I'd take "very good" play from the entire O-line versus an average of "good" play along the whole line with an elite LT.

Look at the Jason Peters trade and you have yourself a very similar situation. Top tier LT who wants to be paid a massive contract both around the age of 26/27 when they would be traded. 1st and 4th for Jake Long I would take immediately.

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