Can't Have It Both Ways On Tannehill | Page 2 | FinHeaven - Miami Dolphins Forums

Can't Have It Both Ways On Tannehill

And you know this how?

I know this because Tannehill's strengths are play-action and throwing on the move and the Dolphins did not do enough of either. How about not taking advantage of Tannehill's athleticism? Too little read option and almost never letting him run a qb sneak on 4th and inches.
 
I know this because Tannehill's strengths are play-action and throwing on the move and the Dolphins did not do enough of either. How about not taking advantage of Tannehill's athleticism? Too little read option and almost never letting him run a qb sneak on 4th and inches.
And his weaknesses?
 
I think I know why you gave yourself the name - Gravity
Gravity is nominated for best film. It's the story of how George Clooney would rather float away into space and die than spend one more minute with a woman his own age," Fey said at the awards.

While no one can defy gravity, perhaps gravitas would have been more appropriate because you are very serious.
 
And you know this how?

I know this because Tannehill's strengths are play-action and throwing on the move and the Dolphins did not do enough of either. How about not taking advantage of Tannehill's athleticism? Too little read option and almost never letting him run a qb sneak on 4th and inches.

Seriously, it's pretty easy to figure out. Crapy line play, athletic QB.....how bout a roll out, bootleg, or screen?? Can we get a lightning fast running back the ball in some space with a check down or halfback pass, or line him up in the flat?? Tanny said he wasn't allowed to audible and that he was part of a "progression offense". That's archaic. How about lining up Wallace on the same side as Hartline to find a mismatch, or in a bunch package, or even a reverse.

But per Gravity, Sherman didn't design plays like that because or roster wasn't talented enough to execute anything but basic play calling.

Belichek got an average roster to the AFC Championship because he leverages strengths and masks weakness. Sherman has now been fired from 3 very significant coaching positions because because he was unable to do the same.

---------- Post added at 08:57 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:56 PM ----------

I think I know why you gave yourself the name - Gravity
Gravity is nominated for best film. It's the story of how George Clooney would rather float away into space and die than spend one more minute with a woman his own age," Fey said at the awards.

While no one can defy gravity, perhaps gravitas would have been more appropriate because you are very serious.

Bahhahaahha.
 
But per Gravity, Sherman didn't design plays like that because or roster wasn't talented enough to execute anything but basic play calling.
Actually the point was that, when you have a QB who's still getting used to the speed of the game, throwing additional complexity into the offense could very well result in game-changing mistakes.

Belichek got an average roster to the AFC Championship because he leverages strengths and masks weakness. Sherman has now been fired from 3 very significant coaching positions because because he was unable to do the same.
And Belichick has done that all the while with a QB who's effective and flexible enough to run just about any kind of offense. Tom Brady is the facilitator of Bill Belichick's ingenuity. Surely you don't think a raw Ryan Tannehill, in his second year in the league, offered the same capacity for Mike Sherman? I think, rather, that the emphasis was likely on facilitating Tannehill's development, rather than Tannehill's facilitating anything Sherman might want to do in the way of Belichick-like ingenuity.
 
How do we know the offense wasn't implemented as a response to the coaches' knowledge of Tannehill's strengths and weaknesses?

It's entirely possible that the offensive system Tannehill was playing in last year, based on his particular strengths and weaknesses, is what gets more out of him than any other offensive system in which he plays in his career. It's entirely possible that any change, whether due to the novelty of the new system, and/or an increase in its sophistication, makes him play worse, not better.

How do we know at this point?

Hey, we're all fans, and we all want to see him play like we want him to, but let's not believe we have a crystal ball here.

How do we know you're sole purpose on this message board is not to clutter up every thread with your incessant rambling and rhetorical questions?

HOW DO WE KNOW!?!?!?
 
How do we know you're sole purpose on this message board is not to clutter up every thread with your incessant rambling and rhetorical questions?

HOW DO WE KNOW!?!?!?
[video=youtube;tBGiU4usqqg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBGiU4usqqg[/video]
 
Actually the point was that, when you have a QB who's still getting used to the speed of the game, throwing additional complexity into the offense could very well result in game-changing mistakes.

And Belichick has done that all the while with a QB who's effective and flexible enough to run just about any kind of offense. Tom Brady is the facilitator of Bill Belichick's ingenuity. Surely you don't think a raw Ryan Tannehill, in his second year in the league, offered the same capacity for Mike Sherman? I think, rather, that the emphasis was likely on facilitating Tannehill's development, rather than Tannehill's facilitating anything Sherman might want to do in the way of Belichick-like ingenuity.

tannehill said he liked throwing on the run. whether it's designed, a naked bootleg, or something that's spontaneous. But that rarely happened. I think if the qb says he likes to do something, means he's comfortable, and capable of doing it. Did Sherman listen? nope.
 
tannehill said he liked throwing on the run. whether it's designed, a naked bootleg, or something that's spontaneous. But that rarely happened. I think if the qb says he likes to do something, means he's comfortable, and capable of doing it. Did Sherman listen? nope.
There are drawbacks to moving a QB out of the pocket. Throwing on the run might be a strength of Tannehill's, but I don't think we should believe that playing to that strength wouldn't have come at a price.
 
There are drawbacks to moving a QB out of the pocket. Throwing on the run might be a strength of Tannehill's, but I don't think we should believe that playing to that strength wouldn't have come at a price.

This is true, I agree that having a running qb increases the chances of the qb getting injured. but I also believe there's a time and place to take those risks. Not saying it should be implemented all the time, or even half the time, but I have seen plenty of times, where a bootleg would have helped out a 2nd or 3rd and long play, where the defense pinned their ears, and just pummeled tannehill. roll outs, screens, etc all would have increased their chances of moving the ball. rather than sitting in the pocket and getting sacked a team high 58 times.
 
This is true, I agree that having a running qb increases the chances of the qb getting injured. but I also believe there's a time and place to take those risks. Not saying it should be implemented all the time, or even half the time, but I have seen plenty of times, where a bootleg would have helped out a 2nd or 3rd and long play, where the defense pinned their ears, and just pummeled tannehill. roll outs, screens, etc all would have increased their chances of moving the ball. rather than sitting in the pocket and getting sacked a team high 58 times.
It's not only injury, but taking the whole field and removing a substantial portion of it as an area to which to throw. Try throwing all the way to the right sideline, or even the right half of the field, when you've rolled out to your left. You've just made it quite a bit easier for the coverage personnel to defend you.

And that's part of the overall point here, that it's awfully easy for us to sit here on our computer keyboards and propose that X, Y, or Z change in the offense would've made Tannehill play better, when really we know nothing about that. It's entirely possible that the 2013 offense maximized what Tannehill was capable of at the time.
 
It's not only injury, but taking the whole field and removing a substantial portion of it as an area to which to throw. Try throwing all the way to the right sideline, or even the right half of the field, when you've rolled out to your left. You've just made it quite a bit easier for the coverage personnel to defend you.

And that's part of the overall point here, that it's awfully easy for us to sit here on our computer keyboards and propose that X, Y, or Z change in the offense would've made Tannehill play better, when really we know nothing about that. It's entirely possible that the 2013 offense maximized what Tannehill was capable of at the time.

if you watched the games, and not go by just stats, you'd be able to see that tannehill was not utilized to his fullest potential. He used to be a WR, so he has some speed. When he was able to run, he's been fairly successful. defenses knowing this, will have to gameplan for a qb that's able to get outside of the pocket and essentially extend plays. And yes, because i'm not tannehill or any of the coaches on the team, there is a possibility that tannehill isn't capable of learning a more complex playcalling, but I think that possibility is way smaller than tannehill not being used the correct way.
 
and I think the owner was able to see the same thing. which was the reason for the firing of the OC. I think that if the head coach truly believed that Sherman used tannehill to his fullest potential, or at least able to get creative, then he probably would have fought tooth and nail to keep him. I think the possibility that Sherman sucked is much greater than Sherman dumbing down the playcalling because tannehill couldn't handle it.
 
And you know this how?

And lots of people here complained about Henning's play-calling as stifling Chad Henne, as well. Has the change of scenery done anything for Henne? Was he only better play-calling away from playing any better than he did then?

Just be quiet already. Nobody cares.
 
Back
Top Bottom