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CB Corey Webster or DE Matt Roth?

Roth or Webster?

  • DE Matt Roth

    Votes: 74 83.1%

  • CB Corey Webster

    Votes: 15 16.9%
  • Total voters
    89
Im glad we got Roth. He will be ready before a lot of other DE's I think because of the people he practiced against while in college. I love defensive energy and that starts at the DLine.
 
Dolfan4life34 said:
rpth was at one time projected a first rd pik so i think we got a steal
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Yeah, well, at one time Webster was projected as a 1st too.
 
Dolfan4life! said:
I went w/Roth. I think New England showed you can win with less than all-star caliber CB's. The trenches is where a game is decided, you can't have enough good d-linemen. Plus getting Daniels in the 4th was a bonus.
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He's right...the game is definitely decided on the trenches. Why do you think we were so bad last year? Our o-line couldn't hold a block. A great o-line makes troy aikman and tom brady look like john elway and dan marino.
 
ckparrothead said:
This is something I've never seen discussed.

Back when the draft happened and we got our pick from KC in the 2nd round, Nick Saban was really hoping that CB Corey Webster would fall to us, but he got snatched by the Giants. He called Webster a "special" young man, and a "special" talent.

But Corey was gone, and we got the "Manimmal" Matt Roth. What I'm wondering is, assume Saban was right about Webster, and the guy would be really good. Would you rather have had Roth anyway?

I brought it up because I feel that if Saban got Webster, he might have been making a mistake. It's one thing to mine your own players from the lower portions of the draft, like Daniels, but IMO it is another to spend high picks on them. It sounded to me like Saban was too close to Webster to make an accurate judgement of his prospects as a pro.
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but wouldn't the Giants "snatching" him sort of validate St. Nick's confidence ?
 
I'm elated with the Matt Roth pick.

The defensive line had been ignored for too long. Wanny let the depth that Jimmy built wither on the vine. Saban see's this and is fixing it. Using a 2nd on Roth and getting Vickerson in the 7th is a good start to rebuilding this area.

Look at the direction we went in free agency (Carter, Traylor, Holliday). Would we have been forced to do this if Wannstedt had'nt ignored the defensive line for 5 years?

From 2000 - 2004 (the Wanny era, 5 drafts in total) we selected a grand total of 3 defensive lineman...and none of them higher then the 6th round. That is five years without adding any quality young players on the defensive line...inexcusable in my opinion.

By way of comparison the Patriots drafted 8 defensive lineman during the same span. They spent three 1st rounders and a 2nd rounder amongst that group....in other words premium picks to add depth every year to that position.

We need to use premium picks on defensive lineman. If I ran a team I would use at least one pick in the top three rounds every year on a defensive lineman. Having depth on the defensive line is crucial to winning (see Dallas in the 90's and New England now).
 
Matt roth baby him and jt are going to make the best de tandem in the league i can't wait for some football.
 
Dolfan4life! said:
I went w/Roth. I think New England showed you can win with less than all-star caliber CB's.
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But New England has always had a top safety or two patrolling back there, be it Rodney Harrison or Lawyer Milloy (or to a lesser extent Tebucky Jones). We don't have anyone of Harrison or Milloy's caliber back there.

As to the topic, I love what Roth brings us. I think it's going to be very hard for him not to be a great addition for us. And I believe we went BPA with that pick and I like it.

Webster is probably going to be a better CB than Daniels when all is said and done. What I've read leads me to believe that Daniels is a little more NFL-ready at this point (better instincts/technique/tackler, better vs run), whereas Webster is still a little raw but has a better body and greater athletic ability. His ceiling is higher.

I probably would have prefered Webster at the time. The two prominent players in front of Roth are known for their great durability (Kevin Carter 0 games missed in 10 seasons, Taylor 0 in the last 5). With David Bowens and Holliday also in the platoon, we stand a better chance of getting by without drafting a player.

Then again, we were extremely thin at DT (Traylor was still a Patriot). So Carter and Holliday, who's had problems and is coming off injury, were looking at lots of time at DT. That left David Bowens (who's missed 31% of his games in Miami) as the primary backup.

At CB, we had Madison, who's been largely healthy but is 31 years old. Opposite him was a young stud, an overpaid role player, and a depth guy. We had a lot of needs, all of which could not be filled. I would have slightly prefered addressing this position, grooming the "raw" Webster to succeed Madison opposite Poole, as CBs are harder to come by. But with the DL situation in mind, it's hard to stick with the CB stance.

So while I was initially suprised at the pick, I'm not dissatisfied with it. We got excellent value at a need area (DL). Also, I was probably shocked because I'm used to us reaching and not going BPA. :lol:
 
Muck said:
But New England has always had a top safety or two patrolling back there, be it Rodney Harrison or Lawyer Milloy (or to a lesser extent Tebucky Jones). We don't have anyone of Harrison or Milloy's caliber back there.

As to the topic, I love what Roth brings us. I think it's going to be very hard for him not to be a great addition for us. And I believe we went BPA with that pick and I like it.

Webster is probably going to be a better CB than Daniels when all is said and done. What I've read leads me to believe that Daniels is a little more NFL-ready at this point (better instincts/technique/tackler, better vs run), whereas Webster is still a little raw but has a better body and greater athletic ability. His ceiling is higher.

I probably would have prefered Webster at the time. The two prominent players in front of Roth are known for their great durability (Kevin Carter 0 games missed in 10 seasons, Taylor 0 in the last 5). With David Bowens and Holliday also in the platoon, we stand a better chance of getting by without drafting a player.

Then again, we were extremely thin at DT (Traylor was still a Patriot). So Carter and Holliday, who's had problems and is coming off injury, were looking at lots of time at DT. That left David Bowens (who's missed 31% of his games in Miami) as the primary backup.

At CB, we had Madison, who's been largely healthy but is 31 years old. Opposite him was a young stud, an overpaid role player, and a depth guy. We had a lot of needs, all of which could not be filled. I would have slightly prefered addressing this position, grooming the "raw" Webster to succeed Madison opposite Poole, as CBs are harder to come by. But with the DL situation in mind, it's hard to stick with the CB stance.

So while I was initially suprised at the pick, I'm not dissatisfied with it. We got excellent value at a need area (DL). Also, I was probably shocked because I'm used to us reaching and not going BPA. :lol:
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man i could not have said it any better myself :D
 
cnc66 said:
but wouldn't the Giants "snatching" him sort of validate St. Nick's confidence ?
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That's what I was going to say.

The guy gets picked before us and that somehow translates to Nick "mining his own players"???? I must be confused...:hmmm:
 
If Saban didnt want Webster that's enough for me. Who had a better take on the guy's abilities? He was only his coach and saw him day in and day out
 
Well, now that we know Will Poole will be out for most of the season if not all of it, if we could go back i'd probably prefer Webster. But no one knew Poole would get hurt in camp, thats the way the ball rolls. Matt Roth is a beast and i'm happy with our selection, but I had to choose Webster as far as the poll goes.
 
adamprez2003 said:
If Saban didnt want Webster that's enough for me. Who had a better take on the guy's abilities? He was only his coach and saw him day in and day out
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Saban said that he WANTED Webster. Said he would have chosen him if he would have been there for our pick.
 
I really think Roth can be something special! I would take him over Webster because I am looking long term. In the future we have Poole to be the stud, and now Daniels to be a solid #2 CB. Three years from now where are we at DL....... JT may still be here but wont be what he once was, Chester may or may not be here depending on health, Carter and Holliday are probably gone, Bowens is more than likely gone, leaving Roth. DL is a position that we are getting very OLD at very quickly, we need an infusion of youth without throwing them out there right away. Thats why I like the idea of this kid in the supplemental draft, he gets a year to learn how to play really before he has to shoulder the load.(oh yeah and learning from some of the classiest guys in football)
 
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