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Chad Henne and Hits on Quarterback

Henne is tough, no doubt about that. But our OL need to get their head out of their @sses because Henne is our best shot at winning at QB.

Surprised we haven't seen more screens and slants to try and slow down opposing teams pass rushes.

Colombo is just awful. How this guy has a job is beyond me.
 
We'll its not helping his cause. The word is if you slap brady around, he will faulter. Thats the difference, some QBs like Brady you can't touch, and others like Henne have no time. Most QBs in the NFL could eat a defense up if you get the LOL time that a guy like Brady gets. By LOL time I mean that multiple times a game where he sits there and bounces for 5-8 seconds while no one is in a 10 foot radius of him.
 
Against Houston they used Garner at tight end on Columbo's side and had Fasano blocking most of the time (zero catches) so I think they see the same thing Chris pointed out.

This is not a good recipe going forward.

Personally I'd be using draws and screens to compensate for our enabily to stop pass rushers. Several of DT's nice runs last week were draws I belief.
 
Henne got blown up by a free blitzer on his very first pass attempt of the season against New England.... he has to identify that pre-snap. He's getting hit way too much back there in the pocket even when he doesn't scramble. Anyone that has watched the games can see this without the statistics, but the statistics back up what you're seeing.

The ONE thing I've always admired about Henne is his toughness. Kid is one of the toughest QB's in the league. He never flinches .... he'll stand there and deliver the football staring right down the barrell and never flinch. The anti-John Beck....

However, that's also been a big problem with him going all the way back to his Michigan days, and one of the things things that I'm talking about when I say he looks just like he did in college. He took way too many unnecessary hits at Michigan by doing the same thing, and it's what eventually got him knocked out of games. The same will happen in the NFL, I guarantee it.

It's not all on the offensive line. A lot of times Henne fails to recognize free blitzers, or doesn't get the ball out quick enough due to his double-clutching combined with a slower than ideal release.

The biggest hits a QB takes are almost never sacks due to an offensive lineman getting beat. The biggest hits happen coming from free blitzers that the QB fails to recognize, or hits that happen right as you're stepping into the throw, and the defender hits you anyway.

There's little things a quarterback can do to minimize the amount of punishment he's taking back there. Some QB's pick up on these little nuances easily, some don't. The details and intricacies have never come easy to Chad Henne.
 
Big tough guy CH.... so what.... it's down the list attributes....being tough is only an attribute if you excell at the "must haves" of the position... are you smart... can you read and disect defenses... are you accurate.... can you fool the FS... do you have touch.... are you a leader....

CH is tough... so what.
 
Henne got blown up by a free blitzer on his very first pass attempt of the season against New England.... he has to identify that pre-snap. He's getting hit way too much back there in the pocket even when he doesn't scramble. Anyone that has watched the games can see this without the statistics, but the statistics back up what you're seeing.

The ONE thing I've always admired about Henne is his toughness. Kid is one of the toughest QB's in the league. He never flinches .... he'll stand there and deliver the football staring right down the barrell and never flinch. The anti-John Beck....

However, that's also been a big problem with him going all the way back to his Michigan days, and one of the things things that I'm talking about when I say he looks just like he did in college. He took way too many unnecessary hits at Michigan by doing the same thing, and it's what eventually got him knocked out of games. The same will happen in the NFL, I guarantee it.

It's not all on the offensive line. A lot of times Henne fails to recognize free blitzers, or doesn't get the ball out quick enough due to his double-clutching combined with a slower than ideal release.

The biggest hits a QB takes are almost never sacks due to an offensive lineman getting beat. The biggest hits happen coming from free blitzers that the QB fails to recognize, or hits that happen right as you're stepping into the throw, and the defender hits you anyway.

There's little things a quarterback can do to minimize the amount of punishment he's taking back there. Some QB's pick up on these little nuances easily, some don't. The details and intricacies have never come easy to Chad Henne.

I agree with this completely.

I didn't mean to come off like I noticed a statistical trend and then started making conclusions about it. I've been posting all week about how Henne's "White Vick" impersonations are going to get him killed and how he's taking way too many hits in this new offense, before I compiled any stats.

As I said in the original post, I don't consider it to just be about the OL. It's a community issue. Chad Henne has changed his playing style closer to the way he played at Michigan where as you say, he took way too many big hits and got hurt because of them. At the same time, Brian Daboll has taken away a lot of the protection options that the Miami offense used/abused in 2009 and 2010. He's focused on being more of a spread team. And of course as you say, there's the issue of just recognizing blitzes and getting the ball out. It's a community thing.

The point I'm trying to make is, the reason the stats are actually useful, is to show everyone that this is NOT sustainable. This WILL result in him getting hurt. I don't believe you can take twice as many hits as even the most-hit quarterbacks in the NFL, and survive the season.
 
I must wonder how many of hits came for the right side of the line? Also from failure to execute the blocking scheme? Pouncey doubling the wrong guy or the TE not chipping the DE correctly?
 
Jay Cutler gets hit more than Henne. I don't know about all these fancy book learnin numbers, but watching the game Cutler looks like he is in a much worse situation than Henne.
 
Jay Cutler gets hit more than Henne. I don't know about all these fancy book learnin numbers, but watching the game Cutler looks like he is in a much worse situation than Henne.

Thats because Cutler is a moron.
 
Thats because Cutler is a moron.

Partially but also because his line is horrible. Even worse than the Dolphins. Also because Mike Martz is an idiot and continues to run long complicated pass plays when the defense is selling out on the blitz.
 
pretty much what i've been sayin since week 1...hennes getting hit WAY too much to stay healthy...nothings gonna change though...hell it probably will get worse when we face some real high end pressure teams shortly

b/t and this is not really directed at anyone i don't see why it takes stats to figure this out...your eyeballs should tell you watching the games the first 2 weeks henne will never hold up taking all these hits...i said after week 1 i'd be surprised if he makes it to the bye week at this rate...and with us keeping in less and less protection in this offense its not gonna change
 
Big tough guy CH.... so what.... it's down the list attributes....being tough is only an attribute if you excell at the "must haves" of the position... are you smart... can you read and disect defenses... are you accurate.... can you fool the FS... do you have touch.... are you a leader....

CH is tough... so what.
Did Henne molest you when you were a kid? Cause clearly this thread is on the issue of Henne taking too many hits which will inevitably lead to Moore seeing game time. Why you need to use this thread as another means of panning him is beyond me.
 
Kind of worried about the day we see Chad Henne get hit and he doesn't get up, with how tough he is. It was a little bit of a scare when.. I think it was the Wilfork hit where he got destroyed and didn't get up for a few seconds. And I'm not talking about worry as in "Oh no.. our starting QB went down.. what do we do.." I mean moreso "Damn, he's seriously ****ed up.. he ALWAYS gets up."
 
still can't believe henne got up after that one bulldozing wilfork sack week 1...that thing was like being hit head on by a rhino
 
Reality is at times... harsh.... it's not like the OL hasn't been an issue for some time now... it's not like CH and the WR have been on the same page for some time now... it's not like CH has the proven ability to go through his progressions... it's not like we can run the ball.... or when we can run the ball.... choose to do so....

And it doesn't mean the kid hasn't busted his *** trying to win football games for the Miami Dolphins and their fans.....it doesn't mean he wants to lose....it's not like the rest of the team wants to have him splattered all over the field like road kill.

I fail to see any reason to ever root for a player to get injured. It's a game and nothing more, it pails in comparison to the real life issues that everyone of us faces from day to day. Do I want the Miami Dolphins to win the Super Bowl ever single year, hell yes!!! Have the Dolphins not wining the Super Bowl every single season since I have been a Miami fan affected my life in any single way other then disappointment - hell no!!!

Injury is an effect that sometimes causes an end and Henne doesn't deserve an end like that regardless of what he has or hasn't done on the field.
 
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