Nope, they sure don't.
Chad Henne Really Isn't Any Better So Far
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dlockz
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week 1 looked improved week 2 not improved. Must say mobility looks way improved
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Imo, mobility, decision making, pocket awareness, accuracy and leadership, none of which can be seen in a box score
dlockz
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his accuracy was not good this week overall. I personally dont see any drastic change but the mobility he has played well before and played bad before.
Three plays dropped him from a potential 90.9 to a 56.3. 41 yard pass interference, a dropped touchdown, and bad blocking. That's the difference between really good and bad ratings.
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I think some of his decisions over the last few games have decreased from "WTF?!" to "Hey. An audible!". That's an improvement.
dlockz
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i do think he has cut down on mistakes but after two games thats too small a sample to judge.
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Agreed.
Really.........................
4th Quarter - 3rd and long in our own end near the 10
Wasn't that Henne who almost got his head blown off by Brian Cushing after he tuck and ran - I mean the guy has outrushed Reggie Bush in two games - yes he was a yard short and yes we should gamble considering we needed to score two TDs to win - it wasn't Henne's fault that TS decides to punt - our only hope was to gamble
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Yes it is when we are basing a guy on two games - you also have to look back to the preseason where he showed some solid signs getting out of the pocket he took off with the ball as well - and while those games don't count overall - someone who knows the game can see that he has put it upon himself to move the chains - and we ddin't see that last year at all - he did also tweaked up his knee real good last year (which limited his mobilty further) but even prior to that he thought of himself as a pocket passer...
Funny isn't it how we don't hear about him being a robot
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he has better intangibles this year, things that aren't reflected on the stat sheet.
the play to Marshall is a perfect example. he had oncoming rushers, yet through it downfield to the endzone. Brandon is covered but he launches it anyway and drops a perfect pass in both hands.
the box score says incomplete pass and some people say "yep, same old Henne".
last year the rush would fluster him, he wouldn't even look deep or at Marshall while covered and the pass if at all attempted, would be to a well covered check-down, usually batted away. again the box score says incomplete and the effect on a QBR is exactly the same, but there is a world of difference in the QB play.
and I don't care if the completion percentage dips because he attacks more, it's how you have to play in this league.
the guys on the other end have to make a play as well and if Brandon makes that catch it's a whole new ball game.
the play to Marshall is a perfect example. he had oncoming rushers, yet through it downfield to the endzone. Brandon is covered but he launches it anyway and drops a perfect pass in both hands.
the box score says incomplete pass and some people say "yep, same old Henne".
last year the rush would fluster him, he wouldn't even look deep or at Marshall while covered and the pass if at all attempted, would be to a well covered check-down, usually batted away. again the box score says incomplete and the effect on a QBR is exactly the same, but there is a world of difference in the QB play.
and I don't care if the completion percentage dips because he attacks more, it's how you have to play in this league.
the guys on the other end have to make a play as well and if Brandon makes that catch it's a whole new ball game.
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As far as week 2, if Marshall makes a catch he should make and Columbo wasn't trying out his turnstile halloween costume, his qbr would be 86 instead of 56. A pretty dramatic difference regarding 2 plays that were mostly someone else's fault. Of course take those 2 plays, add in a chip shot miss by carpenter, we're winning the game last week and we're 1-1 with the loss coming to probably the best team in the nfl and the win coming against a very good afc team. 3 routine plays that changed the outcome of the game and the outlook on our season so far.
My only issue with Henne is his red zone play, He is just bad. The guy needs room to work with. He just throws uncatchable balls and doesn't give his WR'S a chance minus the 1 or 2 decent throws. It is either dropped by the WR or it is uncatchable.
He has improved on his accuracy and mobility. That is pretty much all he has improved on really. I guess mobility has lead to better decision making. If he could do better in the red zone, then he could be a solid QB for a long time.
It's pointless for those of you saying dropped catch, missed block etc......... Because when you do that you neglect to look at how much better his stats would be if he throws catchable balls in the redzone (not teammates fault) you don't account for the TD to Bush last week where it was all Bush not Henne, you don't account for him staring down a WR leading to yet another tipped pass at the LOS...
If you want to look at one side you have to look at the other. For every dropped pass there is most likely a play he got away with that should have been negative but the DB dropped the INT or his RB bailed him out
He has improved on his accuracy and mobility. That is pretty much all he has improved on really. I guess mobility has lead to better decision making. If he could do better in the red zone, then he could be a solid QB for a long time.
It's pointless for those of you saying dropped catch, missed block etc......... Because when you do that you neglect to look at how much better his stats would be if he throws catchable balls in the redzone (not teammates fault) you don't account for the TD to Bush last week where it was all Bush not Henne, you don't account for him staring down a WR leading to yet another tipped pass at the LOS...
If you want to look at one side you have to look at the other. For every dropped pass there is most likely a play he got away with that should have been negative but the DB dropped the INT or his RB bailed him out
You want to look at those plays but discount the fact that Carpenter shouldn't have had to attempt 4 FGS inside our 10 yard line. Henne needs to do better in the red zone. Look at what happened with ST LOuis last night, 3 trips in the redzone but they couldn't score.
You also don't know how the game changes once a score is made. Everything is different, field position plays called etc..
If Henne gets better in the red zone then we wouldn't be complaining about a dropped pass or a missed block all things that happen to even Tom Brady/ Aaron Rodgers/ Peyton Manning/ Drew Brees/ Phillip Rivers/ Josh Freeman etc.... Yet all those QB'S seem to make plays after the fact. Those QB'S can get it done in the redzone Henne cannot.
Rather then looking and making excuses those QB'S come back and make a better throw and get a TD. They don't shell up and suddenly start throwing passes WAY off target in the redzone just because their WR dropped a TD
If you're going to isolate single plays and remove them to adjust someone's QB rating, then in order to maintain the integrity of the QB rating statistic as a means of comparing the performance of QBs, you have to do the same thing for every other QB in the league.
The better thing to do, IMO, is to leave the QB rating alone, and assume that no single QB's rating is being decreased any more than any other's by unusual plays. In other words, every QB has dropped passes and tipped interceptions, or other unusual plays that similarly decrease one's QB rating.
Also, in order to avoid "homer bias," you would also have to remove all of the positive plays that represent an unusually positive contribution to a QB's rating.
In other words, you can't just remove the negative plays Chad Henne was part of and have something with any integrity come out of it. That represents bias at its best.
The better thing to do, IMO, is to leave the QB rating alone, and assume that no single QB's rating is being decreased any more than any other's by unusual plays. In other words, every QB has dropped passes and tipped interceptions, or other unusual plays that similarly decrease one's QB rating.
Also, in order to avoid "homer bias," you would also have to remove all of the positive plays that represent an unusually positive contribution to a QB's rating.
In other words, you can't just remove the negative plays Chad Henne was part of and have something with any integrity come out of it. That represents bias at its best.