Chad Henne vs. Ryan Tannehill: A Scary Thought?
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I like Tannehill and agree that these #s dont mean alot considering his play on the field. That being said the verdict is still out on him IMO. If he continues to win the #s will eventually seperate him from previous FIN QB failures. If he looses the #s will look alike and he will have to accept responsiblity for his performance.
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What do you see as his biggest flaws as a QB and do you think he has shown any improvement in those areas?
Precisely the point IMO. We still don't know what he's going to be long-term, despite what anybody may tell you about the accuracy of his "eyesight." :)
Neither was Chad Henne's first game in 2010 (QB rating of 75.9) representative of the three to follow that year (QB ratings of 106, 91.4 and 81.6).
All of us here watches football, and watches it intently, or we wouldn't care enough to join the site and post about the team.
Now, despite the fact that all of us watches it, there is plenty of disagreement among the members here about many a topic. If we're all watching the same games and the same team, why isn't the "watching" alone enough to get us to agree about everything? Surely it's there for us all to "see" and agree on, correct?
Now you might backtrack and say "watching with expertise," as opposed to merely "watching" alone, does the trick. In other words, the people who watch with "expert eyes" know what's truly happening, and those who watch with "amateur eyes" do not.
That may be true. Now we have a problem, however. How do we know who the experts are, and how do we know when they're wrong? Surely they aren't always right?
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One thing I agree with Shouright is that I still don't know if we have a fanchise QB.
I remember thinking at the time that if only Sparano open up the playbook and let Henne go for the kill instead of playing for FGs we would have a QB, but I was wrong.
On the game winning drive against Atlanta, Sparano would've play safe, run a couple of times, kill the clock, kick a field goal and go for the overtime with a chance to lose the coin toss and the game, instead Philbin gave the ball to RT and let him finish the game.
Their numbers are the same, but this regime relies on RT, and IMO that's the difference.
I remember thinking at the time that if only Sparano open up the playbook and let Henne go for the kill instead of playing for FGs we would have a QB, but I was wrong.
On the game winning drive against Atlanta, Sparano would've play safe, run a couple of times, kill the clock, kick a field goal and go for the overtime with a chance to lose the coin toss and the game, instead Philbin gave the ball to RT and let him finish the game.
Their numbers are the same, but this regime relies on RT, and IMO that's the difference.
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We Are Still Going To The SB
Let's see. Tannehill has the higher number of attempts, more completions, more yards, better completion percentage, higher Yard per attempt. # Int #1 was off Gisbon, finger tips, #2 Was too high for Clay, #4 and #5 Miscomunnication With Wallace.
Oh did I forget to mention Tannehill is not Captain Check Down. So easy to do this after a lost. We shall see how the rest of the season plays out..
I on the other hand AM quite impressed with Tannehill so far.
Id like to know what it is that you find unimpressive about the young man. Here is what I see......
Flaws or areas of needed improvement(at least the ones I can think of off the top of my head).....
1. Pocket awareness - The kid isnt quite sure which area he needs to move to when pressure comes. Marino of course had the best movement in the pocket I have ever seen. It just seems to me that Tannehill never shifts to one side or moves up within the pocket and resets himself when possible. He either winds up taking a sack or running. He really needs to learn to make the subtle moves that the great QBs make in order to avoid defenders, reset himself, and fire the ball downfield.
The good thing about this problem is that it is one of the few that I think is a correctable problem or an area that a player can improve and develop. The fact that Tannehill still has less than 40 career starts in both college and the NFL at the QB position leads me to believe he could still get better at sensing pressure and moving to the correct spot while maintaining balance and control. If the kid gets better at this the sky is the limit because of his positives that I will mention in a moment.
2. Reading defenses - He hasnt quite mastered this. But, again this is something that comes with experience. He is a 2nd year QB in the NFL who only started 19 games in college. I expect him to get better at this. I think this could be a large part of the reason we dont do very much shifting or switch sides with our receivers.
3. Looking defenders off - This is part of reading defenses and kind of goes hand in hand with that. All of these problems are things that can improve with experience. Give the kid some time. If it dosent get better, then he will never be a great QB. But, even as it stands now, he is a pretty good QB. We can certainly win with the kid the way he is. I expect him to continue to improve though.
4. Fumbles - HOLD ON TO THE BALL!!!! He has to hold on to the ball. Fumbling is the worst. You just cant turn it over this way.
Areas of Tannehill's game I am impressed with(again just off the top of my head. there could be more)......
1. Accuracy - This is an area I feel cant be taught or one you cant expect to improve with experience beyond a certain age. An NFL player is what he is IMHO when it comes to accuracy. I hear people say a player will get better or improve in this area, but the way I see it if a guy cant throw he cant throw. Tannehill can throw it...... on a ****ing dime OK. His throws on that 10-12 yard out are laser like in precision. That is a great route for him. He throws a pretty solid deep ball and has nice touch on shorter throws and ones to the RBs on the outside. He could do a little better on keeping the ball down when throwing over the middle, but he is better than most QBs all around in the accuracy area.
2. Leadership - Kid seems like a natural leader to me. The team respects him and he has really taken charge out there.
3. Athletic ability - Tannehill is a great athlete. This is a large reason why I think once he learns to sense pressure better, he will be good at moving to the correct spot with balance and control. His running ability is a plus.
4. Poise and "guts" - Like the team leader Joe Philbin, this kid has a huge pair.
5. Play action fakes - He runs a pretty good fake on the handoff. This is critical in helping make the play action effective.
This kid is the real deal. If youre not impressed then Im sorry..... youre lost.
Also, as I said before.... Herbal Badger >>>> Milliner. If you need another, Tannehill >>>> AJ McCarron.
The "eyesight" is still quite valuable at this point since it gives us some inkling as to why the numbers are what they are. Obviously as the sample size grows it becomes more and more difficult to argue with what the stats tell us, but at this point I think the majority of us don't see much about Tannehill that resembles Henne. Of course I'm fully aware that they could still end up having the same numbers while looking completely different as players on the field. I also get the distinct impression from interviews with them, and their overall demeanor that they are very different players intellectually. How that manifests itself going forward, who knows, but it's another piece of the puzzle which will go a long way towards determining Tannehill's success, and it's not statistically quantifiable.
As I said, at this point I think the we should be far less concerned with the numbers and far more focused on the reasons for them. If those reasons, whether it's because Tannehill isn't making the right reads, coaching staff restricting him, receivers not on same page, offensive line, etc are correctable then the numbers will reflect that as they are corrected, if the reason is because he simply isn't a good QB or the reasons can't be or aren't corrected, then unfortunately the stats will reflect that too. 12 weeks from now I think we will have a much clearer picture of which way he is trending.