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Rk Player Team REC ATT YDS AVG TD Total DPAR
1. Chris Chambers MIA 0 10 00.00 0 0 -5.0

That's right, kids: 10 passes, no catches. I don't care how bad the quarterbacks are in Miami, that's remarkable. Chambers has now caught just 39 percent of intended passes on the season. The average for wide receivers is 56 percent. Marty Booker and Wes Welker are both above 60 percent. Chambers has -17.4 DPAR on the season, which is nearly double the second-lowest total for wide receivers (Alvis Whitted at -8.8 DPAR).

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6285658
 
I must admit he did drop a couple in his breadbasket yesterday. I won't say all 10, but at least 3 to 4 maybe? Not a good game by anyone.

I'm interested to see what happens next year with Daunte and Ricky back. I don't want to know what we can do if Chambers and McMike still stink it up next year, we have nobody on our team who can step it up, not Hagan for sure, he isn't ready yet. Maybe we'll see Vick grow into the position?
 
Well that's OK it's not Chris's fault, It's MM and Joey Harringtons fault, just wait...you'll see. Lot's of knowlegable fans here will tell you it's not Chris. Cause we have so many fans here who hate Joey and MM, so it won't be Chris's fault for the dopped passes, you'll see. I hope this was helpful. I would't want you to get caught up in the facts....they're usless on this site for some reason.

Oh and one other thing, you should keep stats like this away from the Bill fans that come here you wouldn't want to destroy their joy of beating the fins by bringing up the fact that we really didn't do much to win that game. Bill fans want to believe it was their teams effort that , won Sunday, not lack of effort by the Dolphins. Gosh, I wonder what the score would have been had the Bill WR's had just simply dropped the three passes JP threw for TD's?? Especially since two of the Passes weren't even thrown into the endzone??
 
feelthepain, it's not Joey or Mularkey's fault.

Chris is way too inconsistent for his own good. He's not a #1 reciever, and the 2005 season was just a fluke.

Makes ya wish we drafted Anquan Boldin, eh? Eddie Moore, LOL
 
Adam First said:
feelthepain, it's not Joey or Mularkey's fault.

Chris is way too inconsistent for his own good. He's not a #1 reciever, and the 2005 season was just a fluke.

Makes ya wish we drafted Anquan Boldin, eh? Eddie Moore, LOL
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LoL, I don't see how anyone can say it was a fluke, the guy just played good, especially the second half of the season. I also don't think it's any coincidence that he had his best season when the best QB he's ever had throwing him the ball was here. Frerotte wasn't great by any means but he was better than Fiedler, Feeley, and now Joey. I can't sit here and say that none of this is Chris's fault, but he shouldn't take ALL the blame for his numbers this season.
 
Not Joey or Mularkey's fault? Why does it have to so black and white. Did you see how we played on Sunday? It's all of them, Chambers, McMike, Mularkey, Joey. Think about it, the one bright spot everyone likes to bring up when dissing Chambers is Booker. He was held without a catch as well until he got injured and left (one thing about Booker he is oft injured).

It starts at the top and trickles all the way down to the bottom. Thing is I don't have confidence in Joey. I've seen Chambers produce and while he is inconsistent, he has produced. You can say it was a fluke he always averages around 900 yards or so, and is good for more then 7 TDs around 10. Would I like more consistent play? Hell yeah. But he is what we got now and there are more pressing needs, one WR does not make a team.
 
i for one am glad we pick up chambers...he is a good no 2 receiver but he is not consistant or a go to guy like we all wished he was....he really made it know that we need a no. 1 receiver....we really do:shakeno:
 
All I can tell you is that CC does not care. He does not fight for anything. It is mental with CC. Harrington sucked yes. Mcmicheal was worse. But CC is almost playing at 33 speed instead of 45 speed.

CC is just not cutting it. And I watched from midway up at the 45 yard line. Dude's head is not in the game much. Some is Mularky's fault for making him ineffective, but I think this is the real CC. Good but not great and his bad streak is continuing. If DC were throwing to CC now, he would do the same thing as Harrington. Start going away from the guy who does not fight for wins.
 
bluehaze said:
Rk Player Team REC ATT YDS AVG TD Total DPAR
1. Chris Chambers MIA 0 10 00.00 0 0 -5.0

That's right, kids: 10 passes, no catches. I don't care how bad the quarterbacks are in Miami, that's remarkable. Chambers has now caught just 39 percent of intended passes on the season. The average for wide receivers is 56 percent. Marty Booker and Wes Welker are both above 60 percent. Chambers has -17.4 DPAR on the season, which is nearly double the second-lowest total for wide receivers (Alvis Whitted at -8.8 DPAR).

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6285658
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Wow, what an insightful article. Looks like he watched the game and knows the Dolphins well. Let's look at it this way.

1-10-MIA38 (13:16) J.Harrington pass incomplete short left to C.Chambers. Thrown wide of receiver near sideline at MIA 43.

1-10-BUF44 (11:40) J.Harrington pass deep right intended for C.Chambers INTERCEPTED by N.Clements at BUF 23. N.Clements to BUF 45 for 22 yards (K.Jacox). Receiver underthrown, coverage in flat.

2-10-MIA19 (7:22) J.Harrington pass incomplete short right to C.Chambers (R.Denney). Pass tipped at line, receiver at MIA 25.

2-8-MIA7 (4:37) J.Harrington pass incomplete short left to C.Chambers. Underthrown, receiver at MIA 6.

1-10-MIA28 (1:10) J.Harrington pass incomplete deep left to C.Chambers. Overthrown, receiver along sideline at BUF 32.

1-10-MIA39 (15:00) J.Harrington pass deep right intended for C.Chambers INTERCEPTED by K.Ellison at BUF 40. K.Ellison to BUF 47 for 7 yards (T.Minor). Receiver underthrown, near sideline.

3-6-MIA41 (8:11) (No Huddle, Shotgun) C.Lemon pass incomplete short left to C.Chambers (N.Clements). Receiver and coverage along sideline at BUF 46.

2-2-BUF2 (:15) (Shotgun) C.Lemon pass incomplete short right to C.Chambers. Underthrown, receiver in front right corner of end zone.

3-2-BUF2 (:11) (Shotgun) C.Lemon pass incomplete short left to C.Chambers. Dropped, receiver 8 yds. into end zone, along sideline.

4-2-BUF2 (:06) (Shotgun) C.Lemon pass incomplete short middle to C.Chambers (R.Denney). Pass tipped at line.

1-1-BUF1 (:00) Untimed play. (Shotgun) C.Lemon pass incomplete to C.Chambers (R.Denney). Pass batted at line.

Chambers was thrown to 11 times, though only 10 times are counted. According to the play-by-play, only one pass was catchable. So here we are, blaming Chris Chambers for not catching any of the ten passes thrown his way - when only ONE was catchable? Sure, that makes sense. Receivers drop passes. This is a fact. Check the following list - you'll see lots of big-name players with more drops than Chambers - and Chambers is 4th in the league in times targeted. Common sense might tell you that he leads the league in the imaginary but relevant statistic of "uncatchable balls thrown in his general direction."

http://sports.iwon.com/nfl/stats/league/passesdropped.html

Of course, there is the "Chambers is dead last in DPAR" argument. Chambers is not having a good year for many reasons. DPAR, however, is not a good argument. Look at the list.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/wr.php

There is a general downward trend in the quality of quarterbacks as you move down the list. What a coincidence, no?

I do find it amusing that Joey Blutarski (0.0 rating on Sunday, 68.8 on the season) escapes blame here while Chambers is faulted. The best quarterback the guy ever had to play with was Sage Rosenfels. What does that tell you?
 
jdang307 said:
Not Joey or Mularkey's fault? Why does it have to so black and white. Did you see how we played on Sunday? It's all of them, Chambers, McMike, Mularkey, Joey. Think about it, the one bright spot everyone likes to bring up when dissing Chambers is Booker. He was held without a catch as well until he got injured and left (one thing about Booker he is oft injured).

It starts at the top and trickles all the way down to the bottom. Thing is I don't have confidence in Joey. I've seen Chambers produce and while he is inconsistent, he has produced. You can say it was a fluke he always averages around 900 yards or so, and is good for more then 7 TDs around 10. Would I like more consistent play? Hell yeah. But he is what we got now and there are more pressing needs, one WR does not make a team.
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What??? How can that be??? The Bills are just so much better then Miami!!! We didn't lose the game, the Bills won it!! Just ask Bill fans, their always right!!
 
bluehaze said:
Rk Player Team REC ATT YDS AVG TD Total DPAR
1. Chris Chambers MIA 0 10 00.00 0 0 -5.0

That's right, kids: 10 passes, no catches. I don't care how bad the quarterbacks are in Miami, that's remarkable. Chambers has now caught just 39 percent of intended passes on the season. The average for wide receivers is 56 percent. Marty Booker and Wes Welker are both above 60 percent. Chambers has -17.4 DPAR on the season, which is nearly double the second-lowest total for wide receivers (Alvis Whitted at -8.8 DPAR).

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6285658
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I see you've had to get a bit creative in your Joey Harrington angles now...indirect marketing as it were.
 
jdang307 said:
flintsilver, exellent post and if you read mine they are the same arguments but they get ignored and the same stats get put up. See here:

http://www.finheaven.com/boardvb2/showthread.php?t=174079

But I still stand by my earlier comment none of our WR's played well, as well as QB and playcalling.
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Good post. Glad to see some other people are seeing these things.

I'm the first to admit that Chambers has consistency problems. However, the guy has never played with a good quarterback. Also, when a team is playing poorly it compounds itself. Like quicksand, I guess.

The team was awful in general on Sunday. Passes get thrown poorly. Interceptions get thrown. After three quarters of brutal play, the entire offense probably loses confidence.
 
feelthepain said:
Oh and one other thing, you should keep stats like this away from the Bill fans that come here you wouldn't want to destroy their joy of beating the fins by bringing up the fact that we really didn't do much to win that game. Bill fans want to believe it was their teams effort that , won Sunday, not lack of effort by the Dolphins. Gosh, I wonder what the score would have been had the Bill WR's had just simply dropped the three passes JP threw for TD's?? Especially since two of the Passes weren't even thrown into the endzone??
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:sidelol: The typical, "we beat ourselves" chicken excuse from no other than the boards biggest coward. You talk big before a game and then hide . You used that excuses already after the first game, homer. It's getting old.
 
The only type of play Chambers can do with some sense of accomplishment is run down the sideline....deep.

For that I rather have Evans....at least he runs and gets seperation.
 
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