Channing Crowder or Manuel Wright?

[South Florida]

This is how I look at it.

We choose this idiot Manuel Wright (let's be honest, academically ineligible) and we lose out on another shot like we got in this year's third round.

In the 3rd round this year, we got a MLB with a 3.8 gpa and OUTSTANDING physical tools.

I really doubt that Saban takes this type of player, risking another gem that all his preparation will afford come next year, in the 3rd round.

Some might say, "but Wright would have been disgusting on next year's USC D-Line."

But he's not playing, he couldn't play, and he's a proven failure.

Period.

 

[Disgustipate]

You seem to think Saban has not weighed the risks vs. rewards of Manuel Wright as he would any potential 3rd round draft pick in 2006?

And a proven failure? Uhh, no, he's not. A proven failure would not be drafted, nor make his way on an NFL roster.

 

[ckparrothead]

You seem to think Saban has not weighed the risks vs. rewards of Manuel Wright as he would any potential 3rd round draft pick in 2006?

Actually I think he seems to be saying that not many of US have weighed the risks vs. rewards of Manuel Wright as we would any potential 3rd round draft pick in 2006.

He said in his post that he really doubts Saban will take him in the 3rd. And, I agree with him. This year in the 3rd we were able to grab a guy who is already being dubbed by the fans as Zach's successor, a guy with first round talent (and 6th round knees) that could make an impact immediately in this defense.

 

[Disgustipate]

Actually I think he seems to be saying that not many of US have weighed the risks vs. rewards of Manuel Wright as we would any potential 3rd round draft pick in 2006.

That's ridiculous. Wright has gotten more play around these parts then any third rounder, including a relatively famous who dropped like Crowder.

He said in his post that he really doubts Saban will take him in the 3rd. And, I agree with him. This year in the 3rd we were able to grab a guy who is already being dubbed by the fans as Zach's successor, a guy with first round talent (and 6th round knees) that could make an impact immediately in this defense.

The fan hype has absolutely no bearing one way or the other in terms of success. We've seen the exact same "HAY, LOOK A HEIR APPARENT" talk with Eddie Moore, with Derrick Pope, with Tony Bua, etc. We've seen the same articles suggesting that having Thomas and Seau as teammates will rub off on them for each one of those players

 

[GreenMonster]

This is how I look at it.

We choose this idiot Manuel Wright (let's be honest, academically ineligible) and we lose out on another shot like we got in this year's third round.

In the 3rd round this year, we got a MLB with a 3.8 gpa and OUTSTANDING physical tools.

I really doubt that Saban takes this type of player, risking another gem that all his preparation will afford come next year, in the 3rd round.

Some might say, "but Wright would have been disgusting on next year's USC D-Line."

But he's not playing, he couldn't play, and he's a proven failure.

Period.

Don't trash Manuel Wright because he may or may not be worth a 3rd rounder. We all know you can find talent in the 3rd round, but teams have found talent in the supp. draft before. I believe Saban to be a good evaluator of players so far, so I will trust his judgement of Wright.

 

[VanDolPhan]

Don't trash Manuel Wright because he may or may not be worth a 3rd rounder. We all know you can find talent in the 3rd round, but teams have found talent in the supp. draft before. I believe Saban to be a good evaluator of players so far, so I will trust his judgement of Wright.

See this is the bull that the fans are buying into. You know how many average to HOF players ever came out of the supplemental? Like 6 and that's including guys who never amounted to much like Steve Walsh.

Meanwhile there's another 30 complete and horrid busts that have some out of the supplemental.

 

[GreenMonster]

See this is the bull that the fans are buying into. You know how many average to HOF players ever came out of the supplemental? Like 6 and that's including guys who never amounted to much like Steve Walsh.

Meanwhile there's another 30 complete and horrid busts that have some out of the supplemental.

1st I don't think after the poor workout anyone will offer a 3rd. Some teams may bite at a 4th or worse. Yes only like 6 of 35 players turned out ok but how many were 1st rounders, not many. Taking any player in round 4 is far from a sure thing, what it really comes down to is talent.. Saban to me has done a good job drafting so far, so if he believes Wright is worth a 4th I will trust his judgement over anyone on this board that finds Wright overrated or talentless... From what we have heard we weren't high on his workout the other day....

 

[ckparrothead]

The fan hype has absolutely no bearing one way or the other in terms of success. We've seen the exact same "HAY, LOOK A HEIR APPARENT" talk with Eddie Moore, with Derrick Pope, with Tony Bua, etc. We've seen the same articles suggesting that having Thomas and Seau as teammates will rub off on them for each one of those players

Actually I don't remember anyone calling any of those guys the heir apparent to Zach Thomas. Certainly not the way Crowder is being considered by the fans.

Don't trash Manuel Wright because he may or may not be worth a 3rd rounder. We all know you can find talent in the 3rd round, but teams have found talent in the supp. draft before. I believe Saban to be a good evaluator of players so far, so I will trust his judgement of Wright.

I'm glad you have that much patience and faith, but for the rest of the fan base that feel compelled to discuss on message boards the merits of adding Manuel Wright through the suppleemental draft via a 3rd round pick, this kind of back and forth interests us. Sometimes I don't necessarily understand when people come onto message boards and knock another guy for voicing his opinion by saying "We'll have to trust so and so's judgement and I will stand by whatever decision he makes."

To me, that's like assiduously reading the gossip magazines and loudly saying "As if we'd be interested in reading about their cheap and tawdry behavior!"

Interesting side note...you say it is given that there has been plenty of talent to be found in the supplemental draft...can you name anyone? I can't. I think the supplemental draft has been one of the most consistent sources of overvaluation since it came into existence. When you evaluate only a few players instead of a multitude of players side by side, especially in a setting like the supplemental draft where your team needs have become infinitely more pronounced while options have become much more scarce than on the eve of the draft, you can easily fall into tunnel vision. Combine that with a consistent feeling among general managers that a pick in next year's draft is worth less than a pick in this year's draft, and you have guys being chosen in the supplemental draft in the 2nd round that would have been 3rd or 4th round picks in the real draft.

There's also a selection problem with the supplemental draft. By and far, these are for the most part guys who screwed up in some way, academically or whatever. I know there are exceptions, but remember this is a draft only available for kids that would have been eligible for the real draft had they declared on time, but ended up deciding to stay at school, and then for various reasons, changed their mind. Immediately that throws their commitment into question. And if the reason they enter the supplemental draft is being declared academically ineligible, that throws their brains and willingness to work in question.

 

[South Florida]

He is a failure.

You think his Fs in the classroom aren't going to carry over to the filmroom?

I like his 6'5 330 pound frame and his sub 5 40's.

But he's immature, has proven that he won't work hard with his brain, and Saban is going to give him millions and forfeit next year's chance at hundreds of gems in the 3rd?

Nah.

 

[HysterikiLL]

With all due respect, you gotta remember this aint rocket science. Saban isn't structuring this team around their systematic knowledge of the theory of relativity, their submitted team essayed on extremist fundamentalism in South America and the chemical imbalance of potassium hydroxide. A GPA is nice but there's a reason why Stephen Hawking never made a sack.

Also, I'm not quite sure how Manuel Wright is a proven failure. He has great physical tools. His strength is a lot more correctly utilized than bench presses and casual fans are aware. He has great size, quickness and comprehensible football smarts. How is he a failure? Am I going to hear the "3rd string" interior lineman arguement again? Why not back to the "Ronnie Brown was a back-up" debate.

 

[South Florida]

I like the "Stephen Hawking never made a sack" line, but it is a horrible argument for Manuel Wright not being a failure.

I think that the F's he got make him a failure.

And that dedication to study is what makes him a failure and Channing Crowder a pleasantry.

Football is more than being big and strong and talented. It is a lot more.

I'll take a guy who got that 3.8 in classes on extremist fundamentalism in South America and the chemical imbalance of potassium hydroxide.

I won't take the guy who failed classes like Communications 101 and Sociology Intro.

I don't want any player on the dolphins to have failed at anything, and more than that, to have failed because of a LACK OF PRODUCTION.

 

[inFINSible]

What if Crowder blows out a knee before his career ever starts?

 

[South Florida]

What if Manuel Wright can't understand the playbook?

 

[HysterikiLL]

What if an anvil lands on the team bus and the wild coyote is the only one to escape?

 

[ckparrothead]

There's dozens of players in the NFL that got those F's academically but are great on the football field, and you don't have to be a genius to be a nose tackle.

What concerns me about Wright is he's not very strong, and we need a lot of core upper body strength at the nose tackle position. I am not as concerned with the "out of shape" appearance he had at the workout. He's been working really hard to gain a bunch of weight and that means he hasn't been focusing on maintaining endurance while his body is much heavier than it use to be.

Also, another thing that concerns me is how he pulled up lame during his first attempt at the 40, claiming a hammy pull or something, and then he went on to run it two more times at pretty decent speed. To me, that means he clearly stopped his first attempt because he didn't feel he got off to a good start or something. Once you begin a 40, you don't abort it unless you can't run anymore. And if anything snaps or pulls medically that prevents you from running any more, you're probably not going to be able to go ahead and go out there and run it clean twice more at good speeds and then proceed with all of your workouts.

To me, I'm concerned with the possibility that he's as lazy as reports say, that he's got bad character, and most importantly, that he doesn't have the core upper body strength to play on this defensive line, especially at nose tackle.