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Channing Crowder or Manuel Wright?

South Florida said:
He is a failure.

You think his Fs in the classroom aren't going to carry over to the filmroom?

I like his 6'5 330 pound frame and his sub 5 40's.

But he's immature, has proven that he won't work hard with his brain, and Saban is going to give him millions and forfeit next year's chance at hundreds of gems in the 3rd?

Nah.
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Jimmy Johnson would, in a cocaine heartbeat :goof:
 
What if an anvil falls on the bus and Death Cab For Cutie is the only band to leave? (hysterikill)
 
South Florida said:
What if an anvil falls on the bus and Death Cab For Cutie is the only band to leave? (hysterikill)
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Then I'd hope there would be more anvils to come. I hate those freaks :lol:

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It's not like he is ******ed. He managed to academically qualify for a state college until he was eligible for football, and he scored a 17 on the wonderlic(Higher then Marino)

The question isnt intelligence. He's more then smart enough to play D-line. The question is motivation.
 
Exactly, motivation and character. He doesn't strike me as having a high level of either. Put that together with the lack of strength, and I think Miami should avoid him.
 
ckparrothead said:
Exactly, motivation and character. He doesn't strike me as having a high level of either. Put that together with the lack of strength, and I think Miami should avoid him.
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I agree. He's never struck me as the type of player that Saban would want on the team even from the very first day I found out about him.

But in relation to the question posed in the thread title, I think Crowder's knees are as big a concern or red flag as Wright's attitude problem.

Should Crowder blow out a knee early in his career, who among us are going to say that it's a surprise or freak injury?? It's the kind of thing that makes a decision maker look stupid.

It kind of reminds me of the David Boston situation last year. We got him for much less than what everyone thought his price would be, and for awhile it looked like a good move which Rick Speilman could've added it to his personal win column. Then bang, he goes down, with an injury and all of a sudden Rick Speilman is an idiot for taking a chance on him. That we got him for a song isn't even mentioned anymore. What's the difference?

I'd hate to see that same thing happen to Saban, and I'm not certain that Manuel Wright is not going to mature and become a long time NFL player while Crowder's career could come to a halt at anytime. So, as far as each players' value is concerned, they are pretty close, IMO.
 
ckparrothead said:
Actually I don't remember anyone calling any of those guys the heir apparent to Zach Thomas. Certainly not the way Crowder is being considered by the fans.




I'm glad you have that much patience and faith, but for the rest of the fan base that feel compelled to discuss on message boards the merits of adding Manuel Wright through the suppleemental draft via a 3rd round pick, this kind of back and forth interests us. Sometimes I don't necessarily understand when people come onto message boards and knock another guy for voicing his opinion by saying "We'll have to trust so and so's judgement and I will stand by whatever decision he makes."

To me, that's like assiduously reading the gossip magazines and loudly saying "As if we'd be interested in reading about their cheap and tawdry behavior!"

Interesting side note...you say it is given that there has been plenty of talent to be found in the supplemental draft...can you name anyone? I can't. I think the supplemental draft has been one of the most consistent sources of overvaluation since it came into existence. When you evaluate only a few players instead of a multitude of players side by side, especially in a setting like the supplemental draft where your team needs have become infinitely more pronounced while options have become much more scarce than on the eve of the draft, you can easily fall into tunnel vision. Combine that with a consistent feeling among general managers that a pick in next year's draft is worth less than a pick in this year's draft, and you have guys being chosen in the supplemental draft in the 2nd round that would have been 3rd or 4th round picks in the real draft.

There's also a selection problem with the supplemental draft. By and far, these are for the most part guys who screwed up in some way, academically or whatever. I know there are exceptions, but remember this is a draft only available for kids that would have been eligible for the real draft had they declared on time, but ended up deciding to stay at school, and then for various reasons, changed their mind. Immediately that throws their commitment into question. And if the reason they enter the supplemental draft is being declared academically ineligible, that throws their brains and willingness to work in question.
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I never used the words plenty of talent... 32 players have been picked since 78... One HOF in Chris Carter(4th). Couple of other decent players in Steve Walsh, Bernie Kosar, Dave Brown, Tony Hollings, and some others. With all of the crappy picks in the real draft, if you have good talent scouts and you think the guy is worth it, I see nothing wrong with taking him, assuming you don't overpay because you fall in love with the guy..
 
South Florida said:
What if Manuel Wright can't understand the playbook?
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What playbook? He is a DT. Block the two men in front of you on every play. Enough learned.

What plays do you think a DT needs to learn?
 
I doubt that Wright will go in the 3rd anymore after his horrendous workout. Maybe if he's around in the 5th we could look at taking a shot
 
ckparrothead said:
Exactly, motivation and character. He doesn't strike me as having a high level of either. Put that together with the lack of strength, and I think Miami should avoid him.
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Do know that long arms hinder in the bench. The longer your arms the longer the push.

Now does anyone know Wrights reach?
 
I know a lot of people think that a third round pick is a valuable commodity, but here is a look at the last several Dolphin 3rd round picks:

2005 - Channing Crowder (Yet to play)
2004 - No Pick
2003 - Wade Smith, Taylor Whitley
2002 - Seth McKinney
2001 - Travis Minor, Morlon Greenwood
2000 - Ben Kelly
1999 - Grey Ruegamer

Is it really that valuable, that you wouldn't take a chance on a guy that has potential (Whether Wright has potential or not is for the staff to figure out). Granted every ten/twenty years or so there will be a Jason Taylor to go in the third round, but that is rare.
 
72phin said:
I know a lot of people think that a third round pick is a valuable commodity, but here is a look at the last several Dolphin 3rd round picks:

2005 - Channing Crowder (Yet to play)
2004 - No Pick
2003 - Wade Smith, Taylor Whitley
2002 - Seth McKinney
2001 - Travis Minor, Morlon Greenwood
2000 - Ben Kelly
1999 - Grey Ruegamer

Is it really that valuable, that you wouldn't take a chance on a guy that has potential (Whether Wright has potential or not is for the staff to figure out). Granted every ten/twenty years or so there will be a Jason Taylor to go in the third round, but that is rare.
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Actually, you managed to remind me how bad Wanny and Speilman have been. Thank G*d that's over.
 
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