Chip Kelly: Lazor will succeed in Miami

[mithga13]

If you get a top-10 quarterback, and a decent oline and a decent RB and 2 or 3 good receivers and play the run and shoot under todays rules, its going to put up monster numbers. Unfortunately, your defense would be dog tired and even great QB's have bad days and your team wouldn't be able to recover in the playoffs. Back in the day, teams beat the run and shoot by jamming receivers at the line. Greatest show on turf? Belichick just hit them and grabbed them and mauled receivers every time they touched the ball. St. Louis didn't want to play offense in the 2nd half when they couldn't play track meet style football.

This version of the run and shoot is more effective because of the rules, just like Marino would be unstoppable if you couldn't maul his receivers and slam them every time they went over the middle. We all talk about Marino throwing 6000 yds under todays rules with Clayton and Duper and Moore. Its effectively the same reason these newer offensive systems work better nowadays. Twenty years ago, Chip Kelly would have been June Jones.

 

[Mudder1310]

So, what is Mouse Davis up to?

I don't know where Mouse is but his protégé, June Jones, is getting a terrible SMU program back to respectable.

 

[mithga13]

And as far as Chip Kelly being the be-all and end-all of the future of NFL coaching...please. A. It was one year and teams had little real tape on what he was going to do. B. They got bounced in the playoffs fairly handily IMO. If Kelly wants to win in the playoffs, defense and running the ball. All the numbers look great and its fun to watch, but remember those Bills teams and all those yards and points? Lost in the SB. Remember 84? Lost in the super bowl. Last year, Denver and the records....lost in the SB. The Pats with Moss....lost to the Giants. Defense and run games win in the playoffs because no offense is going to rack up huge numbers three games in a row, it doesn't happen in the playoffs with bad weather and better teams on the other side of the field. I don't care if our offense is putting up 40 points a game. I want a solid run game, I want the defense to improve, and I want Tanny to stop throwing turnovers and learn how to hit Wallace once a damn game deep to keep the safeties off the line. Then you get in to the playoffs and you make the other team beat you. Often in the NFL, teams don't win as much as the other team loses. Stop screwing up and make the other team beat you. How long has it been since we made other teams beat us on a consistent basis? When we couldn't look at 75% of our losses and say, hey if we had made that one play....? Parity in the NFL makes most teams within two or three plays a game of each other. Stop making mistakes, we win more games.

 

[psfign]

so much senseless negativity on finheaven. Cant post anything poitive without someone getting their panties in a wad.

 

[RkyDaMan34]

And as far as Chip Kelly being the be-all and end-all of the future of NFL coaching...please. A. It was one year and teams had little real tape on what he was going to do. B. They got bounced in the playoffs fairly handily IMO. If Kelly wants to win in the playoffs, defense and running the ball. All the numbers look great and its fun to watch, but remember those Bills teams and all those yards and points? Lost in the SB. Remember 84? Lost in the super bowl. Last year, Denver and the records....lost in the SB. The Pats with Moss....lost to the Giants. Defense and run games win in the playoffs because no offense is going to rack up huge numbers three games in a row, it doesn't happen in the playoffs with bad weather and better teams on the other side of the field. I don't care if our offense is putting up 40 points a game. I want a solid run game, I want the defense to improve, and I want Tanny to stop throwing turnovers and learn how to hit Wallace once a damn game deep to keep the safeties off the line. Then you get in to the playoffs and you make the other team beat you. Often in the NFL, teams don't win as much as the other team loses. Stop screwing up and make the other team beat you. How long has it been since we made other teams beat us on a consistent basis? When we couldn't look at 75% of our losses and say, hey if we had made that one play....? Parity in the NFL makes most teams within two or three plays a game of each other. Stop making mistakes, we win more games.

Cmon! he's the next Bill Walsh... Go Ducks!!!!! LOL

 

[Vaark]

And as far as Chip Kelly being the be-all and end-all of the future of NFL coaching...please. A. It was one year and teams had little real tape on what he was going to do. B. They got bounced in the playoffs fairly handily IMO. If Kelly wants to win in the playoffs, defense and running the ball. All the numbers look great and its fun to watch, but remember those Bills teams and all those yards and points? Lost in the SB. Remember 84? Lost in the super bowl. Last year, Denver and the records....lost in the SB. The Pats with Moss....lost to the Giants. Defense and run games win in the playoffs because no offense is going to rack up huge numbers three games in a row, it doesn't happen in the playoffs with bad weather and better teams on the other side of the field. I don't care if our offense is putting up 40 points a game. I want a solid run game, I want the defense to improve, and I want Tanny to stop throwing turnovers and learn how to hit Wallace once a damn game deep to keep the safeties off the line. Then you get in to the playoffs and you make the other team beat you. Often in the NFL, teams don't win as much as the other team loses. Stop screwing up and make the other team beat you. How long has it been since we made other teams beat us on a consistent basis? When we couldn't look at 75% of our losses and say, hey if we had made that one play....? Parity in the NFL makes most teams within two or three plays a game of each other. Stop making mistakes, we win more games.

So just for the record, are you going out of your way to spew all this anti-Chip rhetoric because it might interfere with an agenda if his Lazar prediction of being successful comes true? Sorry if his unequivocal Lazar vote of confidence reinforcing a critical coaching hire for us disturbed you. :idk:

 

[Irishfinfan1]

I think last year we played hurry up less than we wanted to because we couldn't sustain drives and wanted to give our D a break. I can understand how hurry up will put a D out of position and getting guys in motion can make defensive players make decisions that won't always be the right one. Last year 3rd and 1 we were awful quite a bit due to play calling, but also because our oline was awful. If we can't sustain drives will we still play hurry up and put pressure on our D?

 

[phinfan40353]

I think last year we played hurry up less than we wanted to because we couldn't sustain drives and wanted to give our D a break. I can understand how hurry up will put a D out of position and getting guys in motion can make defensive players make decisions that won't always be the right one. Last year 3rd and 1 we were awful quite a bit due to play calling, but also because our oline was awful. If we can't sustain drives will we still play hurry up and put pressure on our D?

We had some ridiculous anomaly last year that illustrated our problem; sustaining drives wasn't our problem, starting drives was the problem. I can't remember the exact statistic, but it was something like "Miami had the highest percentage of touchdown scoring drives over 20 yards". Basically, once we got 1 or 2 first downs, you could book us scoring. We had a LOT of 3 and outs. And we had several quick 3 and outs due to our propensity to pass. The "hurry up", per se, didn't apply to our 3 and outs only that we never got on track to truly use the hurry up in those situations.

It was weird. Almost like our base offense was so predictable it took us many 3 and outs to find what would work and then exploited it for a score. Then, the very next possession their D adjusted and we were back to square one again.

But I will say, it seemed we had a sense of urgency and a nose for sustained drives on the last possession of each half. Another unexplained, to me, trait of our team. How can we be so anemic during the rest of the game but could almost always get into scoring position on a last minute drive?

It was a very frustrating thing to watch. But you knew we had a chance in every game if it came down to the last possession.

 

[hoops]

yeah so when we went quick ie end of each half and the damn protection held up we scored...like almost every time...but outside of that 2 minute window pretty much at the end of each half we plodded along in the huddle and let teams sub out personnel that they wanted even though we played primarily in a 3 wide single tight end single back set...kind of set you'd use to go up tempo with and exploit mismatches...the exact personnel that gave us our best mismatch opportunities...all with horrid situational pass pro and running game