Very true, Grier has had plenty of time & resources to build a team that could overtake the Bills.
Chris Perkins: Dolphins headed for mediocrity in 2025 before 2026 rebuild
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Rick Cartman
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It's a lame excuse
We had to be better than one team since Brady left to win the division and get a home playoff game
We haven't been for five seasons now
Also we're 4-7 against the AFC South since 2020
Ah… gotcha. So you changed the subject and then tried to pretend that my initial post was wrong. Are your arms sore from moving the goalposts that far?
Sure, some teams have HC’s that won playoff games, and even SB’s, during their first 3 seasons. They are in the minority and even then a few took over teams in far better shape than the Dolphins and took them to the SB with players that had either recently been to the SB or had been having great postseason success before they took over. Not all, but a far share.
My point is, a point you totally ignored, most HC’s don’t win a playoff game within their first 3 seasons. You cherry picked a few HC’s and teams to try and make that untrue. It’s not.
We haven’t been where for 5 seasons now?
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He's saying that we live in a division where 2 teams (NE & NYJ) completely lay down and we've essentially had 5 years post-Brady to compete with 1-team within our division (Buf) who quite frankly rag-dolls us most of the time when we play them.
I'm not one to argue that Chris Grier should be fired but there are monumental decisions he's made that I just philosophically disagree on:
(1) Trading Laremy Tunsil & Tanking in general
(2) The continued refusal to support our QB(s) with a more physical OL / run game
(3) The internal disaster and scandal that resulted from the hiring/firing of Brian Flores
(4) The trading of picks for Tyreek Hill (a WR!)
(5) The inability / unwillingness to focus efforts on retaining internal talent
(6) The continued low-balling of players looking for 2nd contracts
I'm not going to nit-pick his draft selections. The draft is mostly dumb luck for those that hit homeruns on HOF players, but at the end of the day, I agree with a lot of people that we aren't where we want to be because we don't value the things which better teams do.
If the Tank had landed us a Tua Tagovailoa that never got hurt and we were perennially a 10- to 12-win team, a lot less criticism would result. I admit that. And truth is, when the Tank happened, everyone said they'd be happen if we just got out of QB purgatory...which we kind of did...to an extent.
Unfortunately though, Tua's injuries make all this look a lot worse than it really is and when exposed to daylight, Grier's flaws are the kind that do get people fired.
Is he uniquely bad? No...most every GM probably "sucks" in just the same way. You can't survive missing on QBs for very long. It just doesn't happen. Grier's just always been in an awkward spot. He just doesn't necessarily do himself the favors that would help his defenders form a better argument in support of him.
Yeah, Grier has had enough time and he’s failed. And Tua being concussion prone, which no one really saw, definitely hurts Grier, but even so, Grier’s flippant attitude when it comes to not building the team’s OL and DL is his biggest flaw, IMO.
Rick Cartman
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I don't think Grier is a bad his job, he seems to be proficient in the salary cap and negotiating with other teams. I also think he's well versed in the politics behind a football organization which he probably obtained through experience and wisdom from his father.
I don't think he's that great in the talent acquisition and retainment department which is probably the most important aspect of being a general manager. His defense in that department is to blame the people that he had a hand in hiring.
I also don't see ten years into his tenure any type of pattern of consistency to his approach other than looking for deals on player with prior injury issues.
He also doesn't possess strong leadership abilities, that's shown in the limited interviews he's conducted over the years.
Rick Cartman
It is what it is
My point is that HCs that eventually win something show indications early on they can win via playoff games.
There's never been a super bowl winning coach in the free agency era that hasn't won a playoff game in their first four seasons, all but one did it within 3 seasons and Coughlin won it all in his fourth season. If McDermott wins a super bowl, he'd be the second.
The expectation should be to win a playoff game within the first three seasons and it is not an unreasonable expectation.
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Do most coaches go backwards in play every year ?
Or should I say in year three shoukd the team be going in reverse?
Dano you can move goal posts all you want m, he needs to win this year or he can gtfoh
Are you seriously saying you wanna give this guy a fifth year even if he doesn’t make the playoffs and win?
You’re missing a whole lot of context by cherry picking.
Gruden, his first year in Tampa, won the SB. He then spent 6 more seasons there and never won another playoff game losing twice in the WC round. He took Dungy’s team to the SB.
Bruce Arians did nothing in his first year, got Tom Brady for his next two, and was then promptly fired because he sucked.
Mike Tomlin won the SB in his second season and two years later lost the SB with a Bill Cowher team. Tomlin took over 2 years after the same team had won the SB already. Over the next 14 years the Steelers have won a total of 4 playoff games, losing 6 times in the WC round and missing the playoffs in 6 of those 14 years.
And never mind missing the context that McD had his 7th round rookie QB playing in Buffalo in the postseason and the Dolphins losing by 3 points in that game. And sure, McD lost with Tua in -20F weather in KC (that affected the play of Mahomes, maybe the GOAT, so much that he had his 3rd worst playoff showing ever out of 21 games.) The other two that were worse came very early in his career. And that same KC team went on to beat the Bills, in Buffalo, then the Ravens, in Baltimore, before ending the season with a SB win against the 49ers.
I haven’t moved any goalposts. What have I written to make you believe that?
I don’t think McD has gone in reverse at all. I think the team suffers because their starting QB can’t keep himself healthy and we’ve failed to field an OL that can stay in the game.
When Tua was on the field, even last season, we had a top 8-10 offense. McD has had 3 of the best offenses in the league over the past 3 seasons when his starting QB is playing.
Grier doesn’t work with the salary cap or contracts. Brandon Shore does and he’s done a great job with the cap since he’s been here.
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This paragraph shows me nothing but excuses.
“Ryan’s isn’t someone one to brag about. He’s playing in a division where the Dolphins would be favored to win if they traded places. Ryan has won 10 games each season which was good enough for first place. They’ve won two home playoff games, which is something, but as soon as they go on the road they lose.”
Why would one not brag about Ryan’s to defend McDaniel?
One took a lifeless franchise and flipped it, but but as you say they lost two away games in the playoffs.
They won Playoff games for jeepers sake, the won Big games to get playoff home games and won multiple times..
They have accomplished so so much more than us.
Also don’t forget they completely dominated us head to head, that was an ass whipping against Tua and his offense and McDaniel
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To that point, Miami chased New England for years. The Patriots had an elite quarterback in Tom Brady. Now, the Dolphins are chasing Buffalo, which has an elite quarterback in Josh Allen.
It's not solely about the quarterback position, but it definitely matters.
You don't have that, you better have an elite pass rush.
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