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sinPHIN said:
clayton was on espn radio talking about what it would cost to trade up for rg3. he said its only between the browns and the redskins, the dolphins are out bc it would cost them to much.
i know its just one mans opinion, but i dont think we will pull the trigger bc knowing fisher he wants to screw us again.
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Which is exactly why I dont understand why all the talking heads think its a lock that the Rams will get a kings ransom. If the Redskins sign Manning or Flynn that leaves basically just the Browns, who would have no reason to trade up to #2 because RG would still be available at 3 where it would cost them much less to swap with the Vikings or they could probably just stay put if they were positive no team would still trade for the #3 pick.
 
NYPhin24 said:
its too soon to make a decision either way.....but......its not too soon to say it will backfire on Miami? Interesting.....
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I would keep my poker face on and negotiate to the very last minute. Seeing as there is no guarantee you will land Manning or he is even healthy. You will end up reaching or overpaying for a backup. Screwed.
 
sinPHIN said:
imo flynn is a bigger risk. look at what he had around him in GB. and who knows if he can do the same thing for a different team. rg3 comes in fresh, plus he is just a better player imo
cost wise you are right.
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Is Flynn a bigger risk than RG3?

I'll start by pointing I dislike the idea of bringing RG3 to Miami.

That said, Matt Flynn is a prototypical WCO pocket passer while RG3 is a running passer.
Pocket passers like Aaron Rodgers, Peyton Manning, Eli Manning or Tom Brady have dominated this league, while spectacular, shinning, speedy running QB have never won a Super Bowl. Also as RG3 looks like a poor man's version of Michael Vick, that comes with more questions than answers.

But let's say there is always time for changes and several experts agree that spread offenses will lead the Pro-level within the next 10 years. So Tebow, Newton, Vick and RG3 should be part of the ongoing revolution.

But the fact that Joe Philbin and Mike Sheman (current HC & OC of the Miami Dolphins) are WCO experts is bugging on my head as they don't look fitting as coaches for such type of player. The risk of suffering a breakage within the team could lead to a soon end of the Philbin era. As it's for sure that RG3 won't fit as WCO passer and Philbin is going to be wasted under such experiment, I see the risk of suffering wasting coaching talent.

On the other hand, Philbin knows very well everything on Flynn but market could force Miami to work a Kolb-like contract on Matt Flynn for over 60 million dollars in the next 5-6 years. The risk of having poor results creates a 3-5 year gap from recovery. So Joe Philbin and crew could have less than 4 seasons to prove his worth.

Who is a bigger risk? An incompatible QB or an expensive free agent?
 
WSE said:
no qb= no chance

so yes, we need to do whatever it takes.
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Umm no! Trade 2 entire drafts? No! There's this thing called a salary cap. You need the middle to late round picks because those players play for a hell of a lot less than a veteran. To trade 2 drafts worth of these players for a Qb would cripple you financially. You can't fill your team with free agents. Even the cheaper free agents, the ones that would play for the minimum would be making more money than your later round picks. Plus, if they're willing to play for the minimum they're either old, not very good or both. Plus the rookies are hungry. It's ridiculous to think that trading two drafts is the answer. This isn't madden
 
SQuinn17 said:
Dammit why couldn't Matt Barkley go pro! I'd make that trade for him but not Griffin.
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Barkley coming out would've definitely made life easier for the Phins at the top. But just curious, why do you see Barkley being more valuable than Griffin?
 
jason_taylor said:
imo theres a right way to grow some nuts and to go crazy, and to trade 2 whole drafts for a QB that we can get for alot less and better ,maybe not as long term but still we wouldnt have to trade 2 drafts for ( Manning or Flynn) than to go crazy, so imo our BEST MOVE is to go after Manning or Flynn and keep ALL OF OUR DRAFT PICKS FOR 2 YEARS WORTH ,than to give up all that it will take to get RG3 when we can have even better in Manning or just as good if not better in Flynn .
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I have been toying with the idea of helping the skins jump in front of the browns by giving them our 1st this year for their 2nd this year and their 1st and 2nd next year. That would give them enough fire power to get RG3 and we would stockpile some picks. I think Synder would bite on that if he really wants RG3. What do you think, if you were Ireland would you make that call to Washington or maybe a similiar call to Cleavland.
 
J Tes said:
What is he "full of sheet" about? He says Miami is out of it due to the cost (which is very steap) and you argue that STL has to trade the pick in the next week or 2 (which is just your opinion). The cost is way too high for RG3 and i'm glad Miami isn't in the running especially since there's other options that don't involve Miami giving up 3 or 4 premium draft picks.
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well, lets put it this way. Us being out of this thing does not benefit St Louis. They either deal the skins the pick or they get nothing. I hate to tell ya'll this, but Cleveland aint sellin their 2 1's. they are sitting right where they are and listen up here, may go after Flynn. That happens, and we get Manning, game over for St louis. All Washington has to do then is make sure they get their man when he falls to them. Nothing is happening here folks. Cleveland, Washington, and Miami are waiting for Manning, Flynn, and even talking Tannehill in the process.

Washington is in the drivers seat should they want that #2. But what St Louis is after is Cleveland's picks. Cleveland knows this. They aint budging. They want their picks. If RG3 falls to them, so be it, they take him and keep their other pick.

So you see, we are not out of if and if we somehow get shorted on Manning and Washington or Cleveland take Flynn, the pricetag comes down or nothing gets sold at all and St Louis still picks #2. On any other given year, St louis would have it made. Manning and Flynn really screwed things up. And all the while you keep hearing tidbits that Cleveland may want Flynn and use their other two picks to better the entire team. Same with Washington. Really, St louis is the ones who put this out to Clayton. Its rather obvious isnt it?

We are waiting on Manning. Thats why we are not in this thing.
 
J Tes said:
Umm no! Trade 2 entire drafts? No! There's this thing called a salary cap. You need the middle to late round picks because those players play for a hell of a lot less than a veteran. To trade 2 drafts worth of these players for a Qb would cripple you financially. You can't fill your team with free agents. Even the cheaper free agents, the ones that would play for the minimum would be making more money than your later round picks. Plus, if they're willing to play for the minimum they're either old, not very good or both. Plus the rookies are hungry. It's ridiculous to think that trading two drafts is the answer. This isn't madden
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two entire drafts? not sure where that comes from.
 
BigNastyDB13 said:
Which is exactly why I dont understand why all the talking heads think its a lock that the Rams will get a kings ransom. If the Redskins sign Manning or Flynn that leaves basically just the Browns, who would have no reason to trade up to #2 because RG would still be available at 3 where it would cost them much less to swap with the Vikings or they could probably just stay put if they were positive no team would still trade for the #3 pick.
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bingo. thanx
 
MexDolfan said:
Is Flynn a bigger risk than RG3?

I'll start by pointing I dislike the idea of bringing RG3 to Miami.

That said, Matt Flynn is a prototypical WCO pocket passer while RG3 is a running passer.
Pocket passers like Aaron Rodgers, Peyton Manning, Eli Manning or Tom Brady have dominated this league, while spectacular, shinning, speedy running QB have never won a Super Bowl. Also as RG3 looks like a poor man's version of Michael Vick, that comes with more questions than answers.

But let's say there is always time for changes and several experts agree that spread offenses will lead the Pro-level within the next 10 years. So Tebow, Newton, Vick and RG3 should be part of the ongoing revolution.

But the fact that Joe Philbin and Mike Sheman (current HC & OC of the Miami Dolphins) are WCO experts is bugging on my head as they don't look fitting as coaches for such type of player. The risk of suffering a breakage within the team could lead to a soon end of the Philbin era. As it's for sure that RG3 won't fit as WCO passer and Philbin is going to be wasted under such experiment, I see the risk of suffering wasting coaching talent.

On the other hand, Philbin knows very well everything on Flynn but market could force Miami to work a Kolb-like contract on Matt Flynn for over 60 million dollars in the next 5-6 years. The risk of having poor results creates a 3-5 year gap from recovery. So Joe Philbin and crew could have less than 4 seasons to prove his worth.

Who is a bigger risk? An incompatible QB or an expensive free agent?
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Are you ready for the debate? Philbin said he wanted great athletes, high character, speed, and hard work ethic. Sounds like RG3 to me.
RG3 is a pocket passer first. He is moving while looking downfield. He moves quickly as a QB should. I also just witnessed him showing Mariucci some things about WCO answering questions. He passed with flying colors and even impressed him while answering about stepping up into the pocket to draw the backers before he dumps to the cross route and how he goes deep if he sees one on one with his #1 up top.

Im sorry, but stuff gets made up everyday. This is not hype. Coaches and scouts are amazed by RG3. How can you not be?

Its like Philbin said, "I don't really know what the WCO consists of really". All this is pure speculation. Steve Young often took off running. He was the second coming to Joe Montana. so I say....whateva!! If you think its too high a price. so be it. But you cant sell me on this right here.
 
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