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Clyde Gates needs to be our #2 receiver

Hartline has led the team in yards per reception and YAC each of the last 2 seasons. He was on pace for a 65 catch, 800 yard season last year when he broke his finger. That's a pretty terrific season for a guy who has to let Marshall and Bess get most of the targets.

Here's why Gates will not be the #2 WR this season. Brian Hartline has been the only receiver to learn all 3 of the WR positions (X, Z, and slot). Gates is coming from a Division 2 program. There is no way he is going to pass Hartline in knowledge of how to actually play the position. Gates has said that he had no idea the playbook was going to be this difficult. Gates will be better served in the long run by keeping his assignments simple as a rookie. If Gates is lining up as the Z, he is going to be going against a starting corner. Going from D2 competition to lining up against a starting NFL corner is a HUGE leap. He will be better served working as the 4th WR. And NFL offenses are predicated on option routes. That's what really makes the NFL passing game. Receivers run to a spot on the field, they read the defense, and based on what they read, they run one of 3 or 4 pre-determined routes. These routes require the receivers to understand reading defenses, to know where their fellow receivers are going to be, and to be on the same page as the QB. This is always the biggest hindrance to any rookie receiver. Most guys don't run an NFL route tree in college, and they don't run option routes. It is a huge learning curve. This is why many receivers don't blossom until their 2nd or 3rd season in the league. There is no way that Gates is going to be better at option routes than Hartline at this point in his career, and probably not even better than Roberto Wallace, who at least has had a year in the NFL. To get something out of Gates this year, they will need to keep his assignments simple.
 
I hear that but its also fact that Gates fell to the 4th round. I think he can be a special player with time, and he needs to get involved ASAP, but I don't know if hes ready to play #2 right from the get go.

I hope he is, but I don't know if he is. I hope we utilize more spread formations and have him in the game as much as possible if he isnt #2 quality YET.

Its also fact that Colston was a 7th RD pick......just sayin, if your gonna throw out when they were drafted.
 
I for one am interested to see what Hartline does this year. Well all know that year three is the breakout year for receivers.
 
We've all seen these flash-in-the-pan WRs...last year it was Marlon Moore and Roberto Wallace, before that Anthony Armstrong, etc. I'm not down on Gates and I really hope I'm wrong, but these guys getting off defenders in TC versus when the real bullets fly is just not the same. I started biatching when they traded Ginn that we no longer had any speed to put opposite Marshall. Hartline is a nice WR and does have a knack for getting clear, but he just doesn't complement Marshall's skillset at all. We need that 'burner' who takes a defender away from the middle of the field so that Marshall and Bess and now Reggie can do their thing. The answer is I really, really, really hope he's the guy that can make a difference, even as a rookie, but I'm not going to hold my breath...
 
it would be nice but gates needs time to develop as a route runner...his games raw right now...i think you have to go with hartline early at least and let gates play a flanker like roll

in time i think/hope gates is the #2...hartlines average
 
Hartline was tied for 22nd WR in the league last year for his AVG... But still doesn't get any respect
 
whoops...i see i've offended all 7 members in the brian hartline fan club...
 
No question Gates developing as the #2 WR is the best option for this team.

Is Hartline overrated on this site, hell yes. Doesn't mean I think he sucks, but he is like Fasano . . . he can man the his position, but we should always be looking for an upgrade. Hartline as the #4 and a special teams guy would be a fan favorite. That is where he fits. People can pull up stats and show highlights, I have seen enough of Brian Hartline to know he isn't a good enough #2 WR in today's NFL. If we had an injury and Hartline was forced to fill in there wouldn't be panic, but just to leave him there as the #2 . . . mehhhhhh. Gates has the speed to be a difference maker and teams would be forced not to ignore that speed . . . making things easier for BM. Hartline just doesn't have that kind of talent.

If Gates has a big preseason, I'm all for making the switch in week 1.
 
I'd like to see us go 4 wide often this year on passing downs. Marshall, Hartline, Bess and Gates out wide (maybe some trips formation) with Bush in the backfield is a lot of explosive talent to defend... I also think draws in those situations could be deadly.
 
We've all seen these flash-in-the-pan WRs...last year it was Marlon Moore and Roberto Wallace, before that Anthony Armstrong, etc. I'm not down on Gates and I really hope I'm wrong, but these guys getting off defenders in TC versus when the real bullets fly is just not the same. I started biatching when they traded Ginn that we no longer had any speed to put opposite Marshall. Hartline is a nice WR and does have a knack for getting clear, but he just doesn't complement Marshall's skillset at all. We need that 'burner' who takes a defender away from the middle of the field so that Marshall and Bess and now Reggie can do their thing. The answer is I really, really, really hope he's the guy that can make a difference, even as a rookie, but I'm not going to hold my breath...

I'm assuming you didn't see him in Washington last year
 
I'm assuming you didn't see him in Washington last year

Yeah, he was their third receiver in a WCO style that accentuates the 3rd wr...big deal...he wasn't in the class of Bess or Hartline. He also has been injury prone, prior to last season...I was not impressed...
 
No question Gates developing as the #2 WR is the best option for this team.

Is Hartline overrated on this site, hell yes. Doesn't mean I think he sucks, but he is like Fasano . . . he can man the his position, but we should always be looking for an upgrade. Hartline as the #4 and a special teams guy would be a fan favorite. That is where he fits. People can pull up stats and show highlights, I have seen enough of Brian Hartline to know he isn't a good enough #2 WR in today's NFL. If we had an injury and Hartline was forced to fill in there wouldn't be panic, but just to leave him there as the #2 . . . mehhhhhh. Gates has the speed to be a difference maker and teams would be forced not to ignore that speed . . . making things easier for BM. Hartline just doesn't have that kind of talent.

If Gates has a big preseason, I'm all for making the switch in week 1.

Actually I'd say he was good enough for a #2 for us in every aspect but speed. He just doesn't have enough speed to be a great #2 option...
 
Hey, Rent...

I wasn't impressed, maybe some others were. Not trying to talk down to anyone, but after reading it, it sounded like I was...sorry
 
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