Coaches Film on the Nonmaculate Rederption: Proof of Forward Pass

[LDaniel7]

LD7 - how in hell, did you get your hands on the actual coaches' film? Is there something that you are not telling us, buddy? Are you an employee of the Dolphin organization? Or do you break down the video for the technically challenged, Mike Sherman?

It's a GREAT feature of NFL GameRewind. You have to pay for it and the film only comes out on Wednesday, so you have to wait for it -- and there's no sound. But it's awesome. Worth the 70 or 80 bucks a year, just by itself.

LD

 

[LDaniel7]

Now that it's over and the Dolphins survived:

1) Coyle will position his players accordingly and discuss whether it's best to call timeout beforehand.

2) Special teams will be instructed not to touch the ball on the Patriots' dribble onside kick until/if it travels 10 yards. My gut tells me it's happening, and not just if the situation dictates it.

Later, I'm going to post some pics of the absolute chaos in the Dolphins D, right before the snap on the Nonmaculate Rederption. It's mind-boggling, how such disarray can happen to a group of professionals.

LD

 

[Awsi Dooger]

This one has been rolling on the floor in a seizure of laughter. It's even more priceless that the OP is touting it in a different thread.

This view presents the most grainy and misleading angles of all. It's like a Zapruder film shot from behind the School Book Depository. Anyone who thinks Roethlisberger released the ball from the 32 yard line will be waiting for Santa on January 24th.

I also loved the claim that Reshad Jones covers plenty of ground. Yep, he really saved us on this play with his tremendous instincts and intensity. Not to mention the long touchdown play he surrendered when we had command at 17-7. I don't fault the slip but it was disgraceful when Jones gave no effort at all in pursuit. He jogs alongside the play and never makes any attempt to accelerate or dive.

 

[LDaniel7]

This one has been rolling on the floor in a seizure of laughter. It's even more priceless that the OP is touting it in a different thread.

This view presents the most grainy and misleading angles of all. It's like a Zapruder film shot from behind the School Book Depository. Anyone who thinks Roethlisberger released the ball from the 32 yard line will be waiting for Santa on January 24th.

I also loved the claim that Reshad Jones covers plenty of ground. Yep, he really saved us on this play with his tremendous instincts and intensity. Not to mention the long touchdown play he surrendered when we had command at 17-7. I don't fault the slip but it was disgraceful when Jones gave no effort at all in pursuit. He jogs alongside the play and never makes any attempt to accelerate or dive.

Are you off your meds, Awsi?

I apologized for the poor resolution of the pics. The film was not poor, though.

And on that last play, I think that half the Dolphins D expected the play not to count. They acted shocked and unprepared.

LD

 

[where's th'fish]

According to the NFL, a pass actually begins when the QB's hand starts the throwing motion, not when the ball leaves his hand - so the mark at where the pass begins should be where the throwing motion begins, which is actually a few feet back from what you see in that picture, proving even more that it was a forward pass. This is much like the rule where if a QB's hand is moving forward when attempting a pass and is simultaneously strip-sacked, its considered an incomplete pass and not a fumble - because the pass began at the QB's throwing motion, not when the ball leaves his hand.

From the NFL rule book:

"When a player is in control of the ball and attempting to pass it forward, any intentional forward movement of his hand starts a forward pass"

http://static.nfl.com/static/conten...pdfs/11_Rule8_ForwardPass_BackPass_Fumble.pdf

I'm pretty sure that applies to a different context, that of determining whether a pass is truly a pass or a fumble. I think we are correct in looking at where the pass came out the hand of the passer to determine whether it's a forward pass or not.

 

[LDaniel7]

I think that played was the most upsetting of them all to me..

I reviewed that play too. The problem is that the coaches film has two difficult angles -- yes, better than the broadcast but not enough to show exactly when the ball came out.

From what I could tell, though, if they had chosen to review that, it would have been a fumble (b.c. they had a reviewable camera on the other side of the field). Ben's knee looks clearly off the ground when the ball is knocked loose. Sad that it wasn't reviewed.

LD

 

[Hayden Fox]

If you guys think that the refs would have overturned a crazy, game winning TD at Heinz Field you are crazy.

Good thing he stepped out.

 

[LDaniel7]

If you guys think that the refs would have overturned a crazy, game winning TD at Heinz Field you are crazy.

Good thing he stepped out.

Good point. They'd have hung the refs from the goalposts, lol.

LD

 

[roy_miami]

I agree. The NFL announcing it was legal is horrifying. Glad to get the win… Let's move on now.

They didn't say it was legal did they? They just said there wasn't enough to overturn it. It was one of those plays that would have stood no matter what they called but I think most would say it was a forward pass if you put it to a poll.

 

[DeeperImage]

Glad he stepped out of bounds because the refs would not have had "enough" evidence to overturn that play.