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Colts give Jonathan Taylor permission to be Traded

Rm1369 said:
Ok a couple things:

Please show me where Irsay said anything about NFI.

Also show me what injuries JT reported during his physical before camp.

Basically your take is that you believe everything good from JT and everything bad from the Colts. That’s it. You have nothing to say except JT good, Colts bad.

The one thing we agree on is the belief JTs ankle is still an issue. However if you believe that then how is the Colts position unreasonable? You want to pay a RB $12-15m a year for 3-5 years when he has a a lingering ankle injury that should have healed 6 months ago? Do believe the reports he sought stem cell treatment the same way you do the anonymous suggestion the Colts we’re considering NFI?
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Lol, no that's not my take.

But you can believe what you want and exaggerate what you like.

Have at it sir.
 
GRYPHONK said:
Lol, no that's not my take.

But you can believe what you want and exaggerate what you like.

Have at it sir.
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Please explain, I’m trying to understand. You blame Irsay for threatening NFI - Irsay has never said anything. There was one supposed anonymous leak by a Colts staffer that the team was considering NFI. You obviously believe it. Right? You keep attributing it to Irsay. So what am I missing?
 
Rm1369 said:
Where are you getting that the Colts made up an injury for Taylor? If Taylor sits out all year he doesn’t get credit for this season. He has to be eligible to play at least 6 games for this season to count on his contract. He can play 6 and fake another injury, but that doesn’t help him get paid. He claims he is injured - whether he is or not is pure speculation. There is literally no reason the Colts would “make up” an injury for him. If he wasn’t claiming he is injured he would be on the practice field or getting fined as he is under contract.
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Dude, seriously?


"Never had a back pain," Taylor wrote. "Never reported back pain. Not sure who 'sources' are, but find new ones."

Taylor's tweet came less than two hours after an initial report from ESPN’s Stephen Holder suggested the Colts were "considering placing him on the non-football injury list, which could result in his not being paid for the regular season." Holder wrote that Indianapolis believed the injury was not sustained within the duties of Taylor's professional football career.
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If the Colts try to claim he had a non-football injury, then they could attempt to get out of paying him. So yeah....there is a reason. And Irsay isn't exactly the most scrupulous person in the world so I don't doubt that he was contemplating trying to do so.
 
Rm1369 said:
So you think the Colts will keep JT on the PUP list with a fake injury they made up? Just trying to understand.

If the injury is real it’s likely not football related at this point. So he would be moved to NFI. If it is real then it’s his ankle from last year that should be well healed now. A team that pays him long term would be a fool to do so before he sets foot back on the field. Which of course is parts of the Colts stance. If you think he will fake an ankle injury all year to get credit then it would likely go to arbitration and either outcome damages JTs ability to demand a large contract. He’s either injured or malingering.
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Let's say....11 messages, joined August 27th, location Indianapolis. Hmmmm. Did you get kicked off your home forum like BillsFanInPieces did?
 
The only way the Colts could use NFI for the mysterious back injury is if they have proof he has one OR JT reported one. It’s easy to believe the team is stupid. They aren’t that stupid. So either the report was false or
brumdog44 said:
Dude, seriously?


"Never had a back pain," Taylor wrote. "Never reported back pain. Not sure who 'sources' are, but find new ones."

Taylor's tweet came less than two hours after an initial report from ESPN’s Stephen Holder suggested the Colts were "considering placing him on the non-football injury list, which could result in his not being paid for the regular season." Holder wrote that Indianapolis believed the injury was not sustained within the duties of Taylor's professional football career.
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If the Colts try to claim he had a non-football injury, then they could attempt to get out of paying him. So yeah....there is a reason. And Irsay isn't exactly the most scrupulous person in the world so I don't doubt that he was contemplating trying to do so.
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So an anonymous report from a staffer? I keep looking where Ballard or Irsay said it? I know it was reported, attributed to no one. Do you believe the speculation JT had stem cell therapy on his ankle? Or do you think that’s false.

And why the hell would the team refuse to pay JT AND not want to trade him? Irsay has said repeatedly he wants JT on this team. Irsay has his own personal demons but he has treated players well - especially those drafted by the team. Your take is completely illogical and is based on a statement by who? It sure as hell wasn’t Irsay. If JT holds out, he doesn’t get paid. If he’s faking an injury he’s a liar and I hope they do let him rot. If he’s legit injured then most of this is moot and Irsay has never tried to keep from paying an injured player like that. He let luck keep $20m in bonus money the team could have required he pay back.
 
Joe Dolfan said:
He claimed to be a Dolts fan in his very first post.
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Then why the **** would he care that Dolphins fans trash Colts management? I live in Indiana. Literally everyone except absolute Irsay family members think that Colts management mishandles personnel on a common basis.
 
WildbillIV said:
eh, how far have the Titans gotten with CJ2k and now Derrick Henry? 49ers and CMC(Panthers too)? Zeke? Aaron Jones? Sure a great Rb is nice to have, but a standout Rb doesn't harbor much advantage over 3rd round rookie. Chiefs had Pachecko. Rams had sony michel- 1st rounder but no way a great rb. And yeah that list is a little misleading, but even with those execeptions...they didn't lead the team in rushing during the SB. And without those execptions? The winning team(and even the loser in most cases) didn't have a top 5 RB.
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Outside of QB the same can be said about any elite positional player stuck on a team that's not good enough. How far did we get with Zach Thomas and Jason Taylor? How far did Calvin Johnson take the Lions? Maybe having a top 5 HB isn't needed to win but it also doesn't hurt especially if you don't have a HOF level QB. There's no way to know if the teams that lost in the SB wouldn't have won if they had a top 5 HB. Maybe Derrick Henry on the Bengals or Eagles changes their fortunes during those Super Bowl runs. Adding an elite player at any position to your team is always going to be more good than bad.
 
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brumdog44 said:
Let's say....11 messages, joined August 27th, location Indianapolis. Hmmmm. Did you get kicked off your home forum like BillsFanInPieces did?
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I said I’m a colts fan. I like going to other teams forums and having legit football conversations. Unfortunately that does lead to conversations with guys like you who want to bad mouth any team but your own. I’ve not said one thing about the Fins except if healthy JT would be a great fit with your other skill position players. Your take is simply ridiculous and illogical. And it’s based on one report of a supposedly anonymous statement by a Colts staffer. Your take it as gospel and believe JTs comments 100%. Would you if JT was a FIn?

The idea the team made up a back injury out of thin air AND believe they could use it to not pay JT is ridiculous. It’s grade school level ****. And Irsay has absolutely no history of doing anything similar. Irsay is a lot of things - cheap isn’t one of them.
 
MrChadRico said:
Yet this fanbase is constantly wanting to break the bank for RBs. I'm trying to start a support group for fans that think high priced RBs are the answer.
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As of yet we have no answer, quarter century almost and running…

By all means though, ignore top shelf RB’s since Brady and Mohommes won without them.
 
bdizzle00 said:
I tend to agree with you. BUT, our very own finphan54 has inside sources and he has zero followers on X that I know of.
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bdizzle00 said:
I tend to agree with you. BUT, our very own finphan54 has inside sources and he has zero followers on X that I know of. So, you never know.
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I want Taylor, so I hope it is true, but I'm not going to hold out hopes based on some clown on Twitter. Tues will be here soon enough...
 
superphin said:
Outside of QB the same can be said about any positional player stuck on a team that's not good enough. How far did we get with Zach Thomas and Jason Taylor? How far did Calvin Johnson take the Lions? Maybe having a top 5 HB isn't needed to win but it also doesn't hurt especially if you don't have a HOF level QB. There's no way to know if the teams that lost in the SB wouldn't have won if they had a top 5 HB. Maybe Derrick Henry on the Bengals or Eagles changes their fortunes during those Super Bowl runs. Adding an elite player at any position to your team is always going to be more good than bad.
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I think the main point is that one guy(except Qb and maybe Aaron Donald) doesn't move the needle alot, RB being one of the least arrow movers- league is past having the RB be the star. I do agree adding talent is adding talent, but lets not pretend that if we get Taylor he's gonna get the money. Long term I think it's too much of a headache and will cost way too much(picks/players and then money) for 2 years if taylor would accept the franchise tag.

a top 15 rookie RB is the best scenario and happens pretty frequently- depending on Achanes touches I think he's a great enough addition to make the RB room impactful.
 
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