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Commentary: Yet Another Quarterback Article

vinivedivichi said:
I don't really care who starts, as long as he gives us the best chance to win.

Most of the guys supporting Gus do so only because it's obvious he'll win us more games.

How many chances does your boy AJ need?? He couldn't hold off a junior quarterback (Harrington) as a senior at Oregon. He couldn't beat McNabb or Detmer at Philly. He didn't beat Fiedler last year, or Frerotte this year.

Now I know there are tons of excuses you guys have bottled up, some of which are valid. The way I see it, either Feeley just cannot catch a break to save his life, or he's not a starting quarterback.

Either way, I think we're "safe" by going with Frerotte. Safe from Feeley throwing our season down the drain while he gains supposedly valuable experience.
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He gets injured, Harrington comes in and plays VERY WELL. You don't want to mess with success. It's not like the flat out lost it, he just had an unforuntate injury.

Feeley was third string in Philly because Detmer held the ball for FGs, etc, and the kicker preferred him. If you remember, Feeley OUTPLAYED Detmer during the games he played.

Quit using that BS as an excuse.
 
vinivedivichi said:
He has also looked totally lost in every game I've ever seen him play in. Maybe if we can put talent around him like he had in Philly he will become a quarterback that just barely throws more INT's than TD's.
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If this is an accurate assessment of AJ then Nick Saban is an idiot for keeping him on the team and even letting him compete for the starting job.
 
vinivedivichi said:
I don't really care who starts, as long as he gives us the best chance to win.

Most of the guys supporting Gus do so only because it's obvious he'll win us more games.

How many chances does your boy AJ need?? He couldn't hold off a junior quarterback (Harrington) as a senior at Oregon. He couldn't beat McNabb or Detmer at Philly. He didn't beat Fiedler last year, or Frerotte this year.

Now I know there are tons of excuses you guys have bottled up, some of which are valid. The way I see it, either Feeley just cannot catch a break to save his life, or he's not a starting quarterback.

Either way, I think we're "safe" by going with Frerotte. Safe from Feeley throwing our season down the drain while he gains supposedly valuable experience.
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Frerotte is actually inferior to Feeley. Should Saban make the mistake of starting the season with Gus we will quickly start 0-3. With Feeley we have a shot of 1-2. If you want a chance of winning games you should be rooting for Feeley. Frerotte lacks the most important quality a quarterback needs to succeed - accuracy. I know alot of people here are furious that we gave up a 2nd round draft pick for AJ but think about it Frerotte couldn't have commanded a 7th round pick. Feeley even at this embryonic stage of his career is ahead of Frerotte. The only thing you get by starting Frerotte is a teacher in the huddle. He knows the plays, knows what everyone is supposed to do. Unfortunately he doesnt have the skills to take advantage of this knowledge. If Gus starts get ready for at least two interceptions per game
 
adamprez2003 said:
Frerotte is actually inferior to Feeley. Should Saban make the mistake of starting the season with Gus we will quickly start 0-3. With Feeley we have a shot of 1-2. If you want a chance of winning games you should be rooting for Feeley. Frerotte lacks the most important quality a quarterback needs to succeed - accuracy. I know alot of people here are furious that we gave up a 2nd round draft pick for AJ but think about it Frerotte couldn't have commanded a 7th round pick. Feeley even at this embryonic stage of his career is ahead of Frerotte. The only thing you get by starting Frerotte is a teacher in the huddle. He knows the plays, knows what everyone is supposed to do. Unfortunately he doesnt have the skills to take advantage of this knowledge. If Gus starts get ready for at least two interceptions per game
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Can I get your crystal ball, I need Lotto numbers this week. :D
 
Phinz4Life said:
He gets injured, Harrington comes in and plays VERY WELL. You don't want to mess with success. It's not like the flat out lost it, he just had an unforuntate injury.

Feeley was third string in Philly because Detmer held the ball for FGs, etc, and the kicker preferred him. If you remember, Feeley OUTPLAYED Detmer during the games he played.

Quit using that BS as an excuse.
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There are two arguments that instantly identify a poster as not having a clue about this game. Anyone who makes statements like the 3rd string argument or if we start AJ he's going to throw picks for touchdowns. When you hear either one of those arguments move on. It's a waste of time.
 
Phinz4Life said:
He gets injured, Harrington comes in and plays VERY WELL. You don't want to mess with success. It's not like the flat out lost it, he just had an unforuntate injury.

Feeley was third string in Philly because Detmer held the ball for FGs, etc, and the kicker preferred him. If you remember, Feeley OUTPLAYED Detmer during the games he played.

Quit using that BS as an excuse.
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No offense, but you have some of the most rosy rose colored glasses I have ever seen. Wah, wah, wah, wah. Excuse after excuse after excuse.

Harrington outplayed Feeley, so he became the starter. Isn't that what you meant to say? If Feeley had pleyed better when he was playing, common sense tells you he'd go right back into the position.

If Detmer was only the backup because he held for the kicker, why did they start him when McNabb went down? Wouldn't they go straight to Feeley if he was the better option?

It's not BS, it's common sense. AJ has never proven he's worthy of a starting position, why should we give yet another chance when there's no reason to think he's any good?
 
vinivedivichi said:
No offense, but you have some of the most rosy rose colored glasses I have ever seen?? Wah, wah, wah, wah. Excuse after excuse after excuse.

Harrington outplayed Feeley, so he became the starter. Isn't that what you meant to say? If Feeley had pleyed better when he was playing, common sense tells you he'd go right back into the position.

If Detmer was only the backup because he held for the kicker, why did they start him when McNabb went down? Wouldn't they go straight to Feeley if he was the better option?

It's not BS, it's common sense. AJ has never proven he's worthy of a starting position, why should we give yet another chance when there's no reason to think he's any good?
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I'm not defending his viewpoint by saying this, but that's not true. Guillermo Mota was doing just fine for the Marlins before he got hurt in April. He had a 1.86 ERA and was 2-2 in save opps. He got tendinitis or something, came back a month later, and found out that he had lost his closing job to Todd Jones. Why? Jonesy had a 2.00 ERA going into his first save opp on April 29th. Since then, he has collected 28 saves in 30 opps and has lowered his ERA to 1.13.

It doesn't matter that it's a different sport. Here's another example: Wally Pipp was a pretty good player for the Yankees back in the 1920s. One day, he told his manager that his back was sore and he couldn't play that afternoon. Skip told him it was no problem, there was this rookie they could plug in. 2,130 games later, Lou Gehrig completed a Hall of Fame career only stopped by the disease that would later bear his name.
 
vinivedivichi said:
No offense, but you have some of the most rosy rose colored glasses I have ever seen. Wah, wah, wah, wah. Excuse after excuse after excuse.

Harrington outplayed Feeley, so he became the starter. Isn't that what you meant to say? If Feeley had pleyed better when he was playing, common sense tells you he'd go right back into the position.

If Detmer was only the backup because he held for the kicker, why did they start him when McNabb went down? Wouldn't they go straight to Feeley if he was the better option?

It's not BS, it's common sense. AJ has never proven he's worthy of a starting position, why should we give yet another chance when there's no reason to think he's any good?
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Feeley's bad play before he was taken out was because of his injuries. Look at the stats which were really quite good before he became injured, then you'll notice a decline of yards and increase of ints BECAUSE he was injured.

It might have been an arm injury, I don't recall very well.

AJ hasn't had the chance to, thats what I'm trying to say. NOBODY could have succeeded last year.
 
Berlin's caliber? He has barely even played in the preseason.
 
Billy Volek with the Titans is better than Feeley ever can imagine. Having gotten that out, it's hard to just say this is a throw away season. Nevertheless, I'd start Ferotte for the first handful of games, but if he's mediocre, which he is, I'd start playing AJ, Sage and Berlin to see who will step it up so we can clear out most of this no-talent QB situation. Go for broke next year to acquire a quality QB - it's the only way you can win games and make it back to post-season play.
 
Don't ... ever ... start ... with a ... joke ... again. :lol:

Just kidding.

More and more, I get the feeling the point of the article is moot, as we're going to see a new quarterback in 2006. Just a feeling ...
 
DrAstroZoom said:
Don't ... ever ... start ... with a ... joke ... again. :lol:

Just kidding.

More and more, I get the feeling the point of the article is moot, as we're going to see a new quarterback in 2006. Just a feeling ...
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Funny that you started with a joke, doc. :D I thought it was appropriate, haha. I had to find an interesting lead...what could be better than a corny joke?

Anyways, it might be moot, but so is most of the rest of the crap we debate around here.
 
Phinz4Life said:
Feeley's bad play before he was taken out was because of his injuries. Look at the stats which were really quite good before he became injured, then you'll notice a decline of yards and increase of ints BECAUSE he was injured.

It might have been an arm injury, I don't recall very well.

AJ hasn't had the chance to, thats what I'm trying to say. NOBODY could have succeeded last year.
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You're right...it was a severe injury to the elbow of his throwing arm. He had to have liquid drained from it before practices, before games and again at halftime of the last couple games he played in as a junior but he showed the same toughness he displayed last year and didn't come out until he HAD to. He didn't recover strength in that arm until partway into the next season and wasn't really at full strength until well into the season his senior year. As was pointed out, by then Harrington was playing VERY well and the marketing machine had started a campaign that almost culminated in Harrington winning the Heisman. (By the way - even with Harrington playing so well - the OC of those Duck teams (Jeff Tedford) wanted to put AJ back in when he recovered sufficiently, but the Head Coach wouldn't let him.)

As you also noted, he was doing EXTREMELY well (top 5 in the nation well) before the injury.

I've watched AJ from his first practice as a true freshman and, let me tell you, even THEN there was no doubt that he was an outstanding QB. Give AJ the reps with the starters and let him learn the offense (and let the offense learn him) and he WILL be a fine NFL QB.
 
How many more reps does AJ need? Where has he shown he will be a above average QB. It's all about production and mental toughness, and right now AJ is showing neither.
 
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