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Congradulations Fish fans...come serve me up my crow.

Hoofbeats said:
Where did I offer excuses?
I am sorry, but I didn't see this as a case of Denver beating themselves, which is what it seems you are implying. For one game anyhow, Miami was the MUCH better team. We had our own problems with turnovers and penalties, but we overcame them. I do get the feeling that you are making excuses.
 
Hoofbeats said:
I'm of the opinion that the era of one man being both GM and coach is essentially over. I think it's to much stress and work. It looks like the best coaches are able to do it for about 5-8 years before they begin to break down. Right now I'd be inclined to fire Shanny and put an ad in the want ads...but realistically in a few days I'll probably calm down a little. I've been a critic of his for about a year now based on several things I see but I also don't think there are to many as good as he is. I do think if we don't go farther than the 1st round of the playoffs that Bowlen should think about hiring a GM and let Mike concentrate on coaching.

You need a QB. I've been saying that for the last 2 yrs. Plummer hasn't shown me that he's anything but an average to below average starter.
 
jtoomuch said:
I am sorry, but I didn't see this as a case of Denver beating themselves, which is what it seems you are implying. For one game anyhow, Miami was the MUCH better team. We had our own problems with turnovers and penalties, but we overcame them. I do get the feeling that you are making excuses.

That's true. Should have been 10-0 at halftime. Without the 2 turnovers it could have been a shutout.
Dolphins had many more penalties as well. We practically gift wrapped those scores for Denver.
 
FinsNCanes said:
Tatum Bell is better then Anderson.


Bailey is overrated.


Also, Plummer IS a back up, I'm sorry...but he is.

Much.


Ya.


Eh, ya probably.
 
jtoomuch said:
I am sorry, but I didn't see this as a case of Denver beating themselves, which is what it seems you are implying. For one game anyhow, Miami was the MUCH better team. We had our own problems with turnovers and penalties, but we overcame them. I do get the feeling that you are making excuses.
So are you suggesting that we played well? LOL...Do you think going for the TD when the game was still close was a good decision? I stated over and over than Miami played great, that you were entitled to the win, that Saban did a great job...etc...if what you're looking for is for me to say, "Yes...we played a great game and got beat by a better team"...sorry, I don't believe that. You may, in fact...be a better team. That will be decided over the course of the next 15 games, but if there's one thing that was obvious, it's that we flat out stunk. How many passes did we drop? Did that really look to you like we executed? Do you think that they should have been able to lose their starting RB for the entire game and their best defensive player plus the #2 and #3 CB and it NOT impact things? I specifically said in the post that the injuries didn't help but it wasn't the reason we lost. The guys who got hurt were stinking it up even before they went out...except for Champ; I think he played fairly well for not having played the entire preseason with a hammy. I cant' fault him or Rod Smith...that's about it. I'm not sure what you want, but if you want me to say we played a great game...that's just nonsense. We didn't. That doesn't mean the Fins didn't deserve to win. They did.
 
Hoofbeats. Way to be a man about it. I really think it was a case of looking ahead to SD and our team being prepared. The Phins are going to surprise a lot of people this year. Just to show you that a coach can and will make a differense. Not to hate on Wanny anymore, but look what he has already done to Pitt.
 
Disgustipate said:
Classy? This guy is a meathead. He comes in here and gives a bunch of excuses after shooting his mouth off? That's not class, it's a cop out.
your generalizing here... many denver fans came to troll - hoofbeats was one of the more reasonable ones.
 
Classy move Hoofbeats. Anderson going down was a big blow to the whole offense, we may have seen something different if Jake start showing signs of weakness and Anderson still being in, would have taken the game over.

Good luck with your season and by all means, stomp the hell out of the Jets, Bills, and more so the Pats.
 
$UpErBoWlCh@Mp said:
hey sh** happends. but we won and you dident so we dont care what your excuses are.

And who are you to say what WE think here?
Hoof is a classy guy, and he showed that today by returning here and saying what he did.
He expresed his believes without using excuses, so give the guy some props!
 
Phinz1972 said:
Classy move Hoofbeats. Anderson going down was a big blow to the whole offense, we may have seen something different if Jake start showing signs of weakness and Anderson still being in, would have taken the game over.

Good luck with your season and by all means, stomp the hell out of the Jets, Bills, and more so the Pats.
Thanks...good luck to you guys as well.
 
Disgustipate said:
Classy? This guy is a meathead. He comes in here and gives a bunch of excuses after shooting his mouth off? That's not class, it's a cop out.

Come on, man, we won the game. No matter what he is saying or whether you agree with him, he didn't run away and hide.
 
Speaking of hiding, how come we aren't having our usually run ins with Bills and Jets fans? I know the Jets lost and the Bills won, but they usually come around say stuff about the game wasn't really important for us and all that.
 
Hoofbeats said:
OK Fish fans...I said I'd be here win or lose...here I am. Congradulations on a great game. You're team played great. They came prepared to play and play hard. On our board right now an argument is raging about the heat being a factor in this. I think that's a very poor excuse. I know it's a factor but it wasn't the reason we lost this game. We got the crap kicked out of us from the first whistle, offense, defense, special teams, coaching...they all stunk. I posted on the Orange Mane that in spite what some are saying, the history of both the Dolphins and Bucs shows that when either of these teams is a .500 team or better, then have a great home record in September, and when they are below .500 then win about 30% or fewer of their home games in Septmember. Look it up and you'll see. Bottom line: Good teams do what's neccessary to win and bad teams don't. The heat did not lose this game. We stunk from the very beginning, long before the heat would have been a factor. Some observations:

1. When Mike Anderson went out right off the bat in the 1st quarter, which was a huge blow. Shannahan failed to adjust our running attack for Tatum Bell. TB is not a between the tackles power runner like MA and that was a horrible failure on his part. This was possibly the worst game I've seen from him. He had months to work on a game plan for Saban and got PUNKED by a rookie head coach. Shanny looked like Dan Reeves on a three day drunk in this game.

2. We failed to execute accross the board. Much of this was the Dolphins play as well, but there's no way this was anything less than a completely pathetic performance on Denver's part, and virtually every player on this team stunk it up. This is on the players as well as the coaches. They came in here expecting the Fins to lay down and they didn't. I think they were already planning on San Diego. Hopefully this is a huge wakeup call. Kudos to Saban for having his team ready. If he can prepare them this well each week you have a chance to suprise some people. It's very early, but I think you are better than last year for sure, though I still don't see more than maybe 8-8. That would still be a nice jump. We'll see what happens against San Diego next week but if we play like we did today we'll get beat by 50 next week. This team flat was not prepared to play this game and there is blame enough for everyone. Rod Smith may have been the only guy I saw who shouldn't be hangng his head right now.

3. Jake Plummer was ridiculous. I said Gus was a backup QB and I still believe that, but he flat out made Jake look like a rookie free agent today. Missed reads, missed passes, poor decisions...Jake has tons of work to do this week. We'll find out what he's made of this week.

4. Losing Champ was huge and losing Walls and Darrent Williams made it impossible to do anything. We had backup safety Sam Brandon starting at CB most of the 2nd half...LOL. I was amazed it took Gus so long to pick on him. Even at safety he's not a great coverage guy, but as a corner...he's completely lost. I don't want to use losing all these secondary guys as an excuse either, because even while they were in there the sucked.

I hope I was able to represent the Broncos fans well in here by keeping things on a football level instead of smack. I called it 35-10 Denver...the joke's on me. So whatever way you want to serve up my crow...I'm here to eat it. It's a long season. Maybe down the road we'll see you guys again. But if today was any indication, I doubt it. We have an extremely difficult schedule this year so if we don't pull our heads out we'll be going nowhere. I've watched this team for 36 years and in that time I've seen some sad stuff. There have been few any worse than this. I'm a diehard fan and will always support my team through good and bad...even though right now I'm just p*****. :fire:

Again...congradulations to Saban and the Fins players for a great and well deserved win. Now I'd like you to do us a favor and beat the dog outta our AFC rivals as well if you don't mind...:fire:

The bottomline is.........the Fins have been way underrated by everybody, thats ok, its just the way we like it.

Best of luck in your future games against AFC east teams this year.
 
DoctorFeelgood said:
Jake Plummer is SOOO overrated it's ridiculous. Not that he doesn't have some talent, but he's never been consistently good.

And Shanahan, what the hell was he thinking, going for it on 4th down, down by 6 in the 2nd quarter!?!? A 4 year old knows you take the easy 3 points there. Duh...

C'mon man, Saban went for it on 4th down from the 31, when he could have easily had Mare kick the field goal - and it wasnt even in the dirt. I wouldn't trash Shanahan for that particular move.
 
Phinz1972 said:
Speaking of hiding, how come we aren't having our usually run ins with Bills and Jets fans? I know the Jets lost and the Bills won, but they usually come around say stuff about the game wasn't really important for us and all that.
check the last two/three pages of threads... .we had several threads started by bills and jets fan congratulating us today. the thread turnover was just so great today that they didn't stay on the front page very long.

They didn't hide though, they came and posted props for us.
 
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