Congratulations on the Win

[cltchperf]

Ok guys look at this. I looked at some stats, here's the qb that nyjunc is fine having for his team long term. Some stats are overrated but others are important and are an indicator of the qbs strengths and skills, which are very important for a qb and what franchise qbs, and not just great ones but good or very good qbs have. That is accuracy, which is so important in a qb. There are other assets as well. But this is a common thing I see from the great and good qbs in the league and what helps them carry their team or be able to throw and lead their team. Here's sanchez career numbers http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/12482/mark-sanchez

He has a 54.9 completion % for his career, that is bad for an nfl qb. And his qb rating for his career 73.2. Sure his WRs are dropping passes but even when he had holmes and Edwards he still was just mid 50% at most. Even with his wins, like against indy, he only had 82 yards passing. The past two seasons he's been asked to pass more and not just pass 25 times or less and they've lost more, from what I've seen, they have the best chance of winning when passes within the 25 attempts range, like a servicable qb does.

Even the good qbs do better than this. And for example Alex Smith who is just decent, but hey he took the niners all the way to the nfc championship game last season and they mightve won if it werent for big special teams turnovers. Even his career comp % is 59.1% http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/8416/alex-smith

just look at this between the franchise qbs and their comp % and qb ratings and attempts and some of the good ones and their numbers. they don't lie but here ya go.

matt schaub http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/5615/matt-schaub

matt ryan http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/11237/matt-ryan

big ben http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/5536/ben-roethlisberger

eli manning http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/5526/eli-manning

philip rivers http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/5529/philip-rivers

matt hasselbeck http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/1575/matt-hasselbeck

 

[nyjunc]

I disagree. Its one thing to be a blind homer, its another to be realistic. Juncs QB is garbage and if we had the same QB situation (as we have for so many years) many on this board would recognize that. Henne was also garbage, and just because we are fans, doesnt mean we should be blind fans. Admittedly by many finfans, Henne was garbage and not a good QB. The difference here is Junc will not admit that Sanchez is garbage and IMO that has more to do with ignorance and stubborness than fandom.

I've seen my QB nearly lead us to TWO SBs, I've seen my QB help my team win 4 ROAD playoff games. Did henne even play in a win and in game? NO. There is no comparison.

You want to update us on those PPG stats Junc? :sidelol:
You might want to do it now because we're about to play some creampuff defenses that you guys have already played.

It's still close.

NYJ 17.5
Mia 19.4

comsidering you guys have the next great QB in the lineup and we have the worst QB/OC in the league that's not a huge difference and Tannehill barely played, your PPg in his 6 games is 18.8

God I hope you are right.

you really like finishing behind us, huh?

Ok guys look at this. I looked at some stats, here's the qb that nyjunc is fine having for his team long term. Some stats are overrated but others are important and are an indicator of the qbs strengths and skills, which are very important for a qb and what franchise qbs, and not just great ones but good or very good qbs have. That is accuracy, which is so important in a qb. There are other assets as well. But this is a common thing I see from the great and good qbs in the league and what helps them carry their team or be able to throw and lead their team. Here's sanchez career numbers http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/12482/mark-sanchez

He has a 54.9 completion % for his career, that is bad for an nfl qb. And his qb rating for his career 73.2. Sure his WRs are dropping passes but even when he had holmes and Edwards he still was just mid 50% at most. Even with his wins, like against indy, he only had 82 yards passing. The past two seasons he's been asked to pass more and not just pass 25 times or less and they've lost more, from what I've seen, they have the best chance of winning when passes within the 25 attempts range, like a servicable qb does.

Even the good qbs do better than this. And for example Alex Smith who is just decent, but hey he took the niners all the way to the nfc championship game last season and they mightve won if it werent for big special teams turnovers. Even his career comp % is 59.1% http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/8416/alex-smith

just look at this between the franchise qbs and their comp % and qb ratings and attempts and some of the good ones and their numbers. they don't lie but here ya go.

matt schaub http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/5615/matt-schaub

matt ryan http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/11237/matt-ryan

big ben http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/5536/ben-roethlisberger

eli manning http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/5526/eli-manning

philip rivers http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/5529/philip-rivers

matt hasselbeck http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/1575/matt-hasselbeck

Mark Sanchez, 4-2 in postseason w/ 4 road wins.

Matt Ryan 0-3
Rivers 3-4(including losing to mark's team and one of his wins he left game trailing and backup led them to win)


no argument w/ Ben or Eli at this point and Hasslebeck does have a SB app in a weak NFC but he is 5-6 as a playoff starter including 0-4 on the road.

 

[1972fins]

I've seen my QB nearly lead us to TWO SBs, I've seen my QB help my team win 4 ROAD playoff games. Did henne even play in a win and in game? NO. There is no comparison.



It's still close.

NYJ 17.5
Mia 19.4

comsidering you guys have the next great QB in the lineup and we have the worst QB/OC in the league that's not a huge difference and Tannehill barely played, your PPg in his 6 games is 18.8



you really like finishing behind us, huh?




Mark Sanchez, 4-2 in postseason w/ 4 road wins.

Matt Ryan 0-3
Rivers 3-4(including losing to mark's team and one of his wins he left game trailing and backup led them to win)


no argument w/ Ben or Eli at this point and Hasslebeck does have a SB app in a weak NFC but he is 5-6 as a playoff starter including 0-4 on the road.

The problem for you and sanchez is no more post season, you can have that record for 100 years but today it's meaningless.
Sanchez will be 4-2 in the postseason for the rest of his life.

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

I've seen my QB nearly lead us to TWO SBs

:crazy:

you really like finishing behind us, huh?

What are the team standings again?

 

[finomenal]

I thought this was a "congrats on the win" thread. Just stfu already, go sit in your corner, and lick your Jest tears. We're all tired of your stupid excuses. I swear, this guy reminds me of a more cheesy version of Saul Goodman from Breaking Bad:

[video=youtube;ll7GSiad0ko]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ll7GSiad0ko[/video]
[video=youtube;j3DY1_zijgA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3DY1_zijgA&feature=fvwrel[/video]
[video=youtube;pGtRlR1n8ZM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGtRlR1n8ZM&feature=relmfu[/video]
[video=youtube;oN4PSu8qzNc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oN4PSu8qzNc&feature=relmfu[/video]
[video=youtube;3F2oO98C6Nw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3F2oO98C6Nw&feature=fvwrel[/video]
[video=youtube;P-nhEHXQcTs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-nhEHXQcTs&feature=relmfu[/video]
[video=youtube;pPd67CEL54E]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPd67CEL54E&feature=relmfu[/video]

 

[nyjunc]

:crazy:



What are the team standings again?

I'm sorry I didn't realize seasons ended after 7-8 games, I guess you are used to that but we have half a season to play. A year ago Bills fans were saying the same things, we'll see what happens.

I thought this was a "congrats on the win" thread. Just stfu already, go sit in your corner, and lick your Jest tears. We're all tired of your stupid excuses. I swear, this guy reminds me of a more cheesy version of Saul Goodman from Breaking Bad:

You might want to learn how to read, this thread was from LAST season.

 

[finomenal]

I'm sorry I didn't realize seasons ended after 7-8 games, I guess you are used to that but we have half a season to play. A year ago Bills fans were saying the same things, we'll see what happens.



You might want to learn how to read, this thread was from LAST season.

I can read very well. I'm well aware that this thread is from January 2012. Nothing has changed on your end. You're still making silly excuses, your team is still a joke, and Sanchez is still a mediocre QB.

 

[nyjunc]

I can read very well. I'm well aware that this thread is from January 2012. Nothing has changed on your end. You're still making silly excuses, your team is still a joke, and Sanchez is still a mediocre QB.

who is making any excuses? please share them? stop being such a whiner.

 

[CorduroyG]

I've seen my QB nearly lead us to TWO SBs, I've seen my QB help my team win 4 ROAD playoff games. Did henne even play in a win and in game? NO. There is no comparison.



It's still close.

NYJ 17.5
Mia 19.4

comsidering you guys have the next great QB in the lineup and we have the worst QB/OC in the league that's not a huge difference and Tannehill barely played, your PPg in his 6 games is 18.8



you really like finishing behind us, huh?




Mark Sanchez, 4-2 in postseason w/ 4 road wins.

Matt Ryan 0-3
Rivers 3-4(including losing to mark's team and one of his wins he left game trailing and backup led them to win)


no argument w/ Ben or Eli at this point and Hasslebeck does have a SB app in a weak NFC but he is 5-6 as a playoff starter including 0-4 on the road.

how long are you gonna rely on the "4 playoff wins" to defend mark sanchez? in 2015 if mark sanchez is still the jets starting qb (dolphin fans can only hope) and sanchez is still mediocre at best, are you still gonna use the 4 playoff wins to defend him? enough is enough man. the fact is sanchez has been no better than chad henne, the only difference is henne played on bad teams that couldnt carry him to the playoffs. sanchez was god awful in 2009, it took a miracle for the jets to make the playoffs, and its not like he carried them to those 2 playoff wins. it helps to have a #1 defense and #1 running game, or close to it. he only threw the ball 15 times against the bengals, and was 12-23 for 100 yards against the chargers, thats a JOKE. the chargers kicker choking was the main reason the jets won that game, not sanchez. are you actually using that charger playoff game to defend sanchez over rivers when sanchez went 12-23 for 100 yards and a pick? seriously????? what do mark sanchez's 4 playoff wins all have in common? HE THREW FOR LESS THAN 200 YARDS IN ALL OF THEM LOL

but as ive said before, im so happy the jets carried sanchez to those 4 playoff wins cuz it gave the jets a false sense of belief that sanchez is their franchise qb. so now theyre stuck with him even though most of the football world knows hes closer to a backup qb than a franchise qb.

hey junc, trent dilfer has 1 super bowl ring and marino has 0, is he better than marino? to blindly look at 4 playoff wins to compare sanchez to other qbs and literally ignore everything else that shows sanchez is a below average qb is just as stupid as comparing dilfer to marino cuz he has a super bowl ring and marino doesnt.

 

[MarinoEqualsGod]

I'm sorry I didn't realize seasons ended after 7-8 games, I guess you are used to that but we have half a season to play. A year ago Bills fans were saying the same things, we'll see what happens.

Weren't you and your minions saying that the Jets were in first place when all four teams in the division were 3-3 because of the tiebreakers? Talk about grasping at straws early in the season...

 

[CorduroyG]

tannehill could lead us to the super bowl this year, throwing over 300+ yards in 3 playoff wins, but lose in the super bowl, and junc would reply with:

sanchez 4 playoffs wins
tannehill 3 playoff wins

my guy is better

LOL

 

[Vaark]

Giving Sanchez credit for more than 2 postseason wins when he crapped the bed all season going 7-7-2 and coming up short against a dead Atlanta team at home when the jest needed to actually win and then not hope for the charity of the Bengals and Colts playing meaningless games is like giving Rosie Ruiz props for hopping the train on her way to coming in first in the Boston Marathon. Sorry, but here in NoSpinVille, you gotta earn your way in first for anything subsequent to be taken credibly.

Still and all, a comparable QB to Sanchez, Rex Grossman actually won a conference championship and made it into the superbowl after a legitimately good year.. not all that long ago either - and you'd be hard-pressed to find anyone who wants him either. It's funny, I was on KC Chiefs Planet last night and they were talking about picking up Rex if he's fired.. and the overwhelming comments were yes for DC, no for HC and that he's as clueless about "the second worst QB in the league after Cassel" as Pioli has been about theirs. Funny but also relevant considering the dire straits this team is in and that they have no axes to grind.

Oh and I'll take Rivers any day of the week, especially considering in that 09 playoff game, he (like supposedly The Taco did vs us in game 1), set up his team to win...but Kaedig, the most accurate kicker that year in position to win with two "chip shots" from the 36 and 40 yd lines which, like Carpenter, he choked in the still 3pt loss where The Taco went 12-23, 101 yds with a sub 60QBR.

 

[nyjunc]

how long are you gonna rely on the "4 playoff wins" to defend mark sanchez? in 2015 if mark sanchez is still the jets starting qb (dolphin fans can only hope) and sanchez is still mediocre at best, are you still gonna use the 4 playoff wins to defend him? enough is enough man. the fact is sanchez has been no better than chad henne, the only difference is henne played on bad teams that couldnt carry him to the playoffs. sanchez was god awful in 2009, it took a miracle for the jets to make the playoffs, and its not like he carried them to those 2 playoff wins. it helps to have a #1 defense and #1 running game, or close to it. he only threw the ball 15 times against the bengals, and was 12-23 for 100 yards against the chargers, thats a JOKE. the chargers kicker choking was the main reason the jets won that game, not sanchez. are you actually using that charger playoff game to defend sanchez over rivers when sanchez went 12-23 for 100 yards and a pick? seriously????? what do mark sanchez's 4 playoff wins all have in common? HE THREW FOR LESS THAN 200 YARDS IN ALL OF THEM LOL

but as ive said before, im so happy the jets carried sanchez to those 4 playoff wins cuz it gave the jets a false sense of belief that sanchez is their franchise qb. so now theyre stuck with him even though most of the football world knows hes closer to a backup qb than a franchise qb.

hey junc, trent dilfer has 1 super bowl ring and marino has 0, is he better than marino? to blindly look at 4 playoff wins to compare sanchez to other qbs and literally ignore everything else that shows sanchez is a below average qb is just as stupid as comparing dilfer to marino cuz he has a super bowl ring and marino doesnt.

2015 is not 2012, right? so far in 3 full seasons he won 2 playoff games in 2 of them for a total of 4(or to put it in a # you may be more comfortable w/ Miami from 1995-2011 has 3 playoff wins).

he wasn't awful in '09, he had some awful games but he wasn't awful and he played his best in Janaury. No he didn't carry the team, it's very rare for a QB to carry a team in january but he was vital to the success.

How many rings does Baltimore have since Dilfer? You don't need marino's to win, you need quality QB play and Sanchez gave us that through 2 years.

Weren't you and your minions saying that the Jets were in first place when all four teams in the division were 3-3 because of the tiebreakers? Talk about grasping at straws early in the season...

we were, just stating a fact. Never said it would last, didn't expect it to.

tannehill could lead us to the super bowl this year, throwing over 300+ yards in 3 playoff wins, but lose in the super bowl, and junc would reply with:

sanchez 4 playoffs wins
tannehill 3 playoff wins

my guy is better

LOL

No I'll give Ryan the edge if that happens, it's not going to happen but if by some strange miracle it did I'd tip my cap.

 

[finfanaz]

We're still arguing if the Taco is a good QB? He has the lowest completion % in the NFL. Moving on..

 

[clwaho]

The Jets suck, they are not going anywhere and there is almost no chance the dolphins will get to flog them again this year. Let's just let the Jet's fans curl up into the fetal position and leave them to rot.

Did you mean "fetal" or "fecal"?