Darlington on state of the dolphins. (on finsiders)

[ChambersWI]

Meh, if he didn't take every chance to hate on Philbin, his point would carry more weight with me. There's plenty of reason to hate on him, but inventing new ways shouldn't happen

 

[Nawledge]

I agree that soem stuff is a little out there but Hyden has a point!

If Ross trust Joe and he believes that Jos knows best then why force him to fire Sherman? The thing that we all would want to know that we will never know the answer to is if Joe could have kept him would he?

It should never have come to Ross getting involved with the staffing thing. If joe knew Sherman was an issue he should have fired him with no question. BUt there was push back from Joe. So do we as fans trust him?

Hyden has a real point. We dont haev to agree with him but the logic is correct.

maybe Joe knew Sherman was a liability and Ross forcing Joe to fire him was so that Joe could save face with his friend he's known since 1979? Phil in wasn't gonna come out and fire his longtime friend and say it was because he sucks at calling plays...

but like I said no one will ever know joes real opinion of Sherman cuz he won't throw him under the bus. I think Ross did the right thing by forcin philbin to fire him because I don't think Joe had the balls to do it without someone forcing his hand.

 

[roy_miami]

I feel validated hearing that. Having so many people attack those of us who believed it was an issue, and basically calling us idiots...well, all I can say is: TOLD YOU SO!!

I like Darlington a lot but he should stick to gossip and leave the strategy talk to the big boys...

The go/go-go might go away for various reasons but I won't be shocked to see it again next season.

 

[dlockz]

Wait WAIT WAIT!!!!!!!

Jeff is responsible for all of that?????

Funny the LB's that Jeff cut lose when they played in Miami EVERYONE wanted them GONE. They go one to new teams and they are in the top 3rd ranked as LB and Barnet is #2.

SOUNDS LIKE COACHING TO ME!!!!!

Lets call it for what it is. I am nost supporting Jeff either way but lets be truthful about it.

Not seeing how Im not being truthful. Our defense was better with these guys than the new guys. He replaced better players with worse players how is this not on the GM.
Screw it though lets all enjoy another 7 to 8 win Ireland year. How is he not responsible for the friggin oline to some great degree. Your right though its never Ireland's fault. Its Sparano, its Henning, its Philbin, its Sherman its PArcells. Ireland is just here collecting a paycheck why should he be blamed for 5 straight non winning seasons

 

[NCFINFAN13]

Blind homers; "oh no we're not tipping the snap count, don't you think smarter people would have realized this by now and fixed it if it were true?"

Coaching vacuum.

 

[BIG_FISH_RI]

maybe Joe knew Sherman was a liability and Ross forcing Joe to fire him was so that Joe could save face with his friend he's known since 1979? Phil in wasn't gonna come out and fire his longtime friend and say it was because he sucks at calling plays...

but like I said no one will ever know joes real opinion of Sherman cuz he won't throw him under the bus. I think Ross did the right thing by forcin philbin to fire him because I don't think Joe had the balls to do it without someone forcing his hand.

I tend to agree with you and this is another reason why I HOPE the QB coach from Green Bay is not hired.

This is also what Hayden is talkign about. Joe has to set aside friendship from business. If he knew Sherman was a problem then he should have fired him. In other words. He knew he was a problem but did not seperate his friendship from business until forced. when forced he elected business. So where does Jos stand?

Again we will NEVER know the answer but it is worth talkign about.

 

[Canadianfishfan]

I agree that soem stuff is a little out there but Hyden has a point!

If Ross trust Joe and he believes that Jos knows best then why force him to fire Sherman? The thing that we all would want to know that we will never know the answer to is if Joe could have kept him would he?

It should never have come to Ross getting involved with the staffing thing. If joe knew Sherman was an issue he should have fired him with no question. BUt there was push back from Joe. So do we as fans trust him?

Hyden has a real point. We dont haev to agree with him but the logic is correct.

Philbin knew he had to fire him. The whole world did. If Philbin puts friendships over work.. then he has bigger problems.

There is friendship, then there is business.

My problem is the TMZ style gossiping pertaining to the firing. And the inaccurate information.

The NFL is FULL of allegiances, guys have to fire friends all the time who aren't working out.

Dave Hyde wrote an interesting article insinuating that perhaps someone else encouraged the firing.

Never come down to Ross? Ross isn't doing anything that every other owner does at the end of the season. ****, I have a yearly job review. So it's not something that isn't expected.

The issue is the word "cowardly" in reference to Philbin. That is illogical. It has nothing to do with cowardice.

 

[Nawledge]

I tend to agree with you and this is another reason why I HOPE the QB coach from Green Bay is not hired.

This is also what Hayden is talkign about. Joe has to set aside friendship from business. If he knew Sherman was a problem then he should have fired him. In other words. He knew he was a problem but did not seperate his friendship from business until forced. when forced he elected business. So where does Jos stand?

Again we will NEVER know the answer but it is worth talkign about.

Im just saying...we don't know if Joe thought he did a good job or bad job, we will never know.

but....even if Joe thought he sucked I don't think Joe had the balls to fire him without being forced to do so.

 

[roy_miami]

I don't want it to seem like I'm picking on you, or just bashing on you, so let me apologize for my reactions the last few days. And let's review a few things.

1.There have been plenty of rumors this season about dissatisfaction with Sherman. Mike Wallace openly complained early, their were reports that players and front office staff alike were confused by what Sherman was doing, there was reported anger that players felt Mike Sherman thew them under the bus all the time. Are they all true? Who knows, but where there is smoke there's fire.
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Sherman threw Tannehill under the bus at least twice. Once after the first Jets game in OT when Tannehill changed the play to a deep pass instead of just trying to get a little closer for the game winning field goal. And the second time he did it was the first Bills game this season when Tannehill took the infamous sack/fumble, he said Tannehill changed the play there again. At the time I remember thinking I liked having the clarity but I wasn't sure how I felt about the coaching staff throwing our QB under the bus.

Sherman had several other gaffes in his press conferences that I'm sure Philbin hated as they put us at a competitive disadvantage and Philbin likes to divulge nothing. For instance, on discussing who was culpable for sacks he once said he doesn't like to let Tannehill change plays on the opening series. He also said he would like to be more balanced in the running game but Philbin doesn't like to run into loaded boxes. It should be obvious how defensive coordinators would be able to take advantage of both of those nuggets.

 

[mithga13]

I have to say, if Philbin didn't want to get rid of Sherman its courageous, but stupid. And it now brings Philbin's credibility as an NFL head coach into serious question for me. Do we not all remember Tom Olivadotti? Shula had much loyalty, and it cost Marino several chances at a Super Bowl....IMHO.

 

[Bob512]

I don't see the firing of Sherman by Philbin cowardly at all. As a matter of fact it takes more power because Philbin and Sherman is close.

This is about production. The offense stunk for 2 years. I have no doubt Sherman was expecting it. They both did.

This isn't war or anything. Coward is an inappropriate term for this circumstance.

Getting rid of the players leadership council because it may undermine his authority over the team... that's cowardly.

That's also you just speculating. Jake Long, we attempted to re-sign and could not do it. Dansby was swapped out (along with Burnett) to get younger, faster and cheaper (didn't work very well) and Bush is still a mystery to me......but I don't buy into the conspiracy beacause they were part of a leadership council.

 

[Hayden Fox]

I still find it amusing that I am the one taking Joe's side that if he wanted Sherman, he should not have been forced to fire him. Yet, Joe Backers are all in support of this move.. a move Joe DID NOT want.

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I have to say, if Philbin didn't want to get rid of Sherman its courageous, but stupid. And it now brings Philbin's credibility as an NFL head coach into serious question for me. Do we not all remember Tom Olivadotti? Shula had much loyalty, and it cost Marino several chances at a Super Bowl....IMHO.

Credibility might be shot throughout the league if he does not show progress this year.

 

[roy_miami]

Philbin fired Sherman simply because Philbin doesn't like leaders, as evidenced by him getting rid of anybody associated with the leadership council. PHILBIN HATES LEADERS!!!

 

[truedolfan57]

If Joe really DID NOT want to fire Sherman, he wouldn't have. No one know have much "force" Ross put on Joe, to fire Sherman. I'm sure Joe didn't like it, but no one really likes firing a friend.

 

[dlockz]

I still find it amusing that I am the one taking Joe's side that if he wanted Sherman, he should not have been forced to fire him. Yet, Joe Backers are all in support of this move.. a move Joe DID NOT want.

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Credibility might be shot throughout the league if he does not show progress this year.

Look Hayden just get ready for next season so we can say one more year or do what we should have done this year. Tell me it doesn't reek of 2011