Quite honestly I can't help but wonder if you wanted Joe to stand by Sherman so that he would get himself fired. It's really not a stretch to think that based on your dislike for him.
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the thing is...there's no way to tell if Joe REALLY wanted him back...he could've been saying he did just to save face with a guy he's been biddies with for almost 35 years...
Exactly!
Look.......I can't say for sure if Philbin was forced to fire Sherman or decided on his own it was time for a change. Based on all the bits and pieces I have read....either way is possible.
However, when it comes to managing people, it is one thing for you as the manager (head coach in this case) to be critical of your employees (coaches in this case), but it is entirely another thing to allow everyone else to be critical of them. If there is public criticism of Sherman as there was through most of the year, what message does it send to the team if Philbin doesn't support him and offer encouragement? This is part of being a leader and while it may not be a true indication of how Philbin feels about Sherman's performance....it is in my opinion Philbin doing his job.
I don't know if I am any more right or wrong as any other fan.....but it is a reasonable possibility you all have this all wrong.
However, when it comes to managing people, it is one thing for you as the manager (head coach in this case) to be critical of your employees (coaches in this case), but it is entirely another thing to allow everyone else to be critical of them. If there is public criticism of Sherman as there was through most of the year, what message does it send to the team if Philbin doesn't support him and offer encouragement? This is part of being a leader and while it may not be a true indication of how Philbin feels about Sherman's performance....it is in my opinion Philbin doing his job.
I don't know if I am any more right or wrong as any other fan.....but it is a reasonable possibility you all have this all wrong.
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Speculation? Interesting that this one factor was widely discussed during the height of the Bullygate scandal. Also noted that Philbin had a problem with these payers. It has been WIDELY reported.
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I would not have mind seeing him go, but I swear I would have defend him for doing what Munchak did. I do not think ownership should meddle with a coaching staff.
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I agree with u that no matter how bad Joe thought Sherman was (if he did) he was gonna support him regardless. I never expected Phil in to come out and say anything negative about Sherman but the fact philbin did let him go shows to me philbin had to have thought he can find somebody better. I think if philbin really thought Sherman was the best guy for the job or was capable of improving he would've fought harder for him. then again like I already said none of us know what was said, how hard philbin wanted Sherman back or what philbin really thinks.
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don't lie if Joe fought for Sherman to stay u would be questioning joes credibility saying it was nepotism and what not....I know how this goes, either way it went down you were gonna complain about something.
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Nope. I think he should pick his own staff. I have been steadfast on that idea. I think the org is more of a mess because of these half measures.
I don't agree with Darlington that Miami's roster was good enough to play in a championship game. That offensive line, right now, only has 1 1/2 guys who are worth keeping, out of, like 8 guys. Maybe changing the blocking scheme would help guys like Jerry or Clabo; maybe. Our guys were getting blown up into out backfield on a regular basis, and it was rare that we could get a running game going, especially when we needed to. We could run only when we were expected to pass. When defenses put the clamps down, we would average negative yds-per-carry averages.
Sherman's play-calling, and the 'Go-GoGo' fiasco certainly hurt too. It's amazing (and really should cause Failbin to get canned, too) that an NFL team would do something so GD stupid.
We're just not gonna know just how bad our line talent (or lack-thereof) is until we get out of the stone-age with this crap.
Sherman's play-calling, and the 'Go-GoGo' fiasco certainly hurt too. It's amazing (and really should cause Failbin to get canned, too) that an NFL team would do something so GD stupid.
We're just not gonna know just how bad our line talent (or lack-thereof) is until we get out of the stone-age with this crap.
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maybe Joe told Ross Sherman was a problem but philbin wanted to save face by having it look like Ross (joes boss) was forcing him to do it. Point is...we have no idea how any of this went down.
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It's odd to me that Darlington says consistency is a coaching problem and not a talent problem. I don't agree with that. I think that what won Miami some key games was PLAYMAKING. Mike Wallace making an awesome play against the Patriots. Charles Clay vs the Steelers breaking tackles. Contrast that to Brian Hartline dropping five balls against the Bills, Clay and Hartline dropping critical passes against the Ravens, etc.
I like Wallace and Clay quite a bit, but do you feel that Wallace is a player who can consistently make game-winning plays? How about Clay? We are not talking about Calvin Johnson and Rob Gronkowski here. We are not even talking about Dez Bryant and Dennis Pitta here.
IMO the #1 reason this offense sucked is that we spent less money on it than 30 other teams. Lack of talent. Mostly up front, but some of that was shown in the backs, the receivers, and yes, the quarterback.
I like Wallace and Clay quite a bit, but do you feel that Wallace is a player who can consistently make game-winning plays? How about Clay? We are not talking about Calvin Johnson and Rob Gronkowski here. We are not even talking about Dez Bryant and Dennis Pitta here.
IMO the #1 reason this offense sucked is that we spent less money on it than 30 other teams. Lack of talent. Mostly up front, but some of that was shown in the backs, the receivers, and yes, the quarterback.
The consistent theme among the Miami writers was coaching was an issue and a lot of it was on playcalling. They shared blame between Philbin and Sherman for that, but Mando,Omar, Beasley, Jackson, and Abramson have all bashed playcalling quite a bit all season.
As for the talent. I feel in the passing game we're missing a big target as we really don't have anybody who will win 50-50 balls or will out-jump a defender in the end zone for a TD. OL is an issue for sure, and while a lot of blame is on Ireland for not getting guys for the ZBS but there are things I'm hearing that make me not want to absolve the coaches either.
Even above the OL, the biggest issue was lack of consistency in the run game.
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Here is the truth. Burnett and Dansby in Miami ranked about right where our LB's are ranked today. just slightly better. They leve miami go to two seperate teams and their production damn there triples. THAT IS ALL COACHING AND SCHEME!!!! That has nothing to do with Jeff. What I'm getting at is Jeff is not as bad or as good as anyone here makes him out to be.
People bash him but dont want to give him credit for anything.