Dave Hyde: Chris Grier is the Liam Eichenberg of general managers | Page 2 | FinHeaven - Miami Dolphins Forums

Dave Hyde: Chris Grier is the Liam Eichenberg of general managers

Dave Hyde writes negative articles - writers like him Brian Miller of Phin Phanatic, on the national level Colin Cowherd, they say/write things about the Dolphins that makes you wonder if they just can't see what really goes on or just have agendas that they must keep up with. Not too long ago, Dave Hyde was questioning the work that Chris Grier has done. The performance on the field is a teamwork of not only the Front Office but the Coaching Staff as well and Injury luck. The last 3 years, anyone being objective will tell you that the Injuries played a part in either the Dolphins losing in the Playoffs or not get there like last year. Chris Grier's job is to get his Coaches the Players and he does a good job of that. Last year, being cap-strapped, he was able to get Pro Bowl caliber guys like Jonnu S., A. Brewer, J. Brooks, Calais C.! Even this year, with around $20M only in cap space, he has signed 1 starting Safety, re-signed starting ILB, 1 starting G, #3 WR, upgrade at Punter, top 3 blocking TE per Seattle's GM! Just 8-9 months ago, the Players voted Miami with the second most top 100 players! PFF and Fox among others voted Miami as a top 10 talented team last Summer. Grier is not perfect but he does a much better job than some people want you to believe.
And who's fault is it he only has $20M in cap space to play with? Ross'? McDaniel's?

He was given a clean slate with a bevy of picks and a near-open cap...and NOTHING to show for it. NOTHING.

Injuries play a part on EVERY team in the league, but if one team keeps having more than others (for argument's sake), did the GM take risks on oft-injured or at-risk players?

The talking heads and other players can rate the team and hype them up all they want, in the end, its paper excellence at best. RESULTS matter.
 
Dave Hyde writes negative articles - writers like him Brian Miller of Phin Phanatic, on the national level Colin Cowherd, they say/write things about the Dolphins that makes you wonder if they just can't see what really goes on or just have agendas that they must keep up with. Not too long ago, Dave Hyde was questioning the work that Chris Grier has done. The performance on the field is a teamwork of not only the Front Office but the Coaching Staff as well and Injury luck. The last 3 years, anyone being objective will tell you that the Injuries played a part in either the Dolphins losing in the Playoffs or not get there like last year. Chris Grier's job is to get his Coaches the Players and he does a good job of that. Last year, being cap-strapped, he was able to get Pro Bowl caliber guys like Jonnu S., A. Brewer, J. Brooks, Calais C.! Even this year, with around $20M only in cap space, he has signed 1 starting Safety, re-signed starting ILB, 1 starting G, #3 WR, upgrade at Punter, top 3 blocking TE per Seattle's GM! Just 8-9 months ago, the Players voted Miami with the second most top 100 players! PFF and Fox among others voted Miami as a top 10 talented team last Summer. Grier is not perfect but he does a much better job than some people want you to believe.
Ok ... you flip the coin and show the other side ... 🤔

Why then, in 3 yrs. hasn't the injury problem been corrected? Signing players with a history of injuries isn't the wisest move IMO.

How is it considered a "good job" getting players for his coaches who are injured?

Speaking of coaches ... they have all failed despite Griers "success" ... who chose or had a hand in choosing the HC's?

Why is the cap space screwed up? Did this happen overnight, or has it been death by a thousand cuts?

With so many top players (injured or not), why does the team wallow in mediocrity?

I'm not purposefully being contrary, but I believe the questions are legitimate based on your assessment. :cheers:
 
Last edited:
Ok ... you flip the coin and show the other side ... 🤔

Why then, in 3 yrs. the injury problem hasn't been corrected? Signing players with a history of injuries isn't the wisest move IMO.

How is it considered a "good job" getting players for his coaches who are injured?

Speaking of coaches ... they have all failed despite Griers "success" ... who chose or had a hand in choosing the HC's?

Why is the cap space screwed up? Did this happen overnight or has it been death by a thousand cuts?

With so many top players (injured or not) why does the team wallow in mediocrity?

I'm not purposefully being contrary, but I believe the questions are legitimate based on your assessment. :cheers:
Yessur.

Chris Grier has done a mediocre job, plain and simple. Every GM will have wins and losses, its a balancing act of course, so you can only really judge their effectiveness and excellence (especially when it spreads over multiple HCs, like you said) in the position by the team's relative success, or lack thereof...and there's PLENTY lack.
 
I can understand the frustration with the Dolphins as a whole. They're finding a way to F up as they make questionable long-term commitments, as they let home-grown talent walk, as they hemorrhage picks, etc.

I just don't know where Chris Grier fits into the equation.

He's not behind every decision.

We have one of the boldest Owners in the NFL. Ross spends like crazy. He runs off qualified people. He tampers. He gets himself suspended. He goes behind the back of his own people while negotiating in private with players, coaches and agents from around the NFL...

...to say this is 'Chris Grier's team' takes a lot of balls.



I mean, not that long ago the Dolphins tried to hire a new GM and despite interviewing several people and reportedly making offers to many of them, no one would take the job. Dennis Hickey was like, what, the 5th guy offered the job or something crazy like that?

Broadly speaking, what exactly has changed about the Dolphins since Grier became GM? Do you not remember the coming and going of HCs prior to Grier? Do you not remember the questionable extensions prior to Grier? Do you not remember the splashy moves for players who cost and arm and a leg?

Everything people complain about predates Chris Grier. To blame Chris Grier is to think only about his tenure and to forget basically all this extends back to '09 when Parcells first quit when Ross took power.



I think Grier builds out the roster (particularly the middle and deeper portions of it). I can believe for that same reason that he runs the drafts, but I think he does that along with input from coaches he doesn't hire. I think he's trying to work with who Ross tells him he has to work with: Gase, Flores, McDaniel, etc.

A GM wouldn't hire & fire HCs like that. He would execute according to a single vision year after year. Yet Ross has talked up every one of those hires. I think that all points to Ross being behind those hires. After all, it's his team. Why would Ross not be making those big decisions?

I think Grier is in Miami because the money & job security is good. I have no faith the next guy won't be even more a shill for the Owner letting Ross get even more involved and doing so without finding the good, cheap players that Grier occasionally turns up.

If we fire Chris Grier, he'll be instantly picked up and integrated into another organization and if that next organization has a more reasonable Ownership, it's very likely Grier's abilities will lead to that organization having success.



Some people will also blame Grier for not changing Ross' attitude but I remind you that we've already crossed this bridge. Ross took power from Bill Parcells and ran him out. He's had no problem pushing away veteran coaches who wanted out after just a single year within the organization (eg. Gailey, Fangio). He wanted no part in Dan Campbell when he was here.

Ross tried to hire a GM and nobody wanted to serve him and thus he promoted a guy from within who had marginal qualifications who he knew would take the paycheck and be subordinate.

If we fired Grier, I'm pretty sure the line for GM would be short and we'd very likely end up with someone even worse.

Last year, Grier did nothing to offend us instead bringing us long-term developmental players on cheap deals at Edge, LT, WR and RB alongside valuable contributors at TE, C and MLB on modest FA contracts. That's hardly driving the team into the ground!

What Ross gave us was an uncomfortable, $200M extension to a QB who I'm pretty sure any GM in the world would've agreed was a huge liability / risk and who very much needed to play out his 5th year extension. Keep in mind, $200M deal's like that don't get done without Ownership being completely onboard.


To blame Grier is to forget how much Ross controls this team. Grier has his mistakes and I really wonder about the exodus of good talent: Minkah, Wilkins, AVG, Hunt, etc. Why don't these players show interest in sticking around? It's not just money. These players generally find Miami is toxic. It's not a winning organization because leadership is a mess and yes, Grier needs to be held accountable as much as anyone else.

But I sincerely doubt any GM would've made the '09-'24 Ross era make sense.
 
Last edited:
Dave Hyde writes negative articles - writers like him Brian Miller of Phin Phanatic, on the national level Colin Cowherd, they say/write things about the Dolphins that makes you wonder if they just can't see what really goes on or just have agendas that they must keep up with. Not too long ago, Dave Hyde was questioning the work that Chris Grier has done. The performance on the field is a teamwork of not only the Front Office but the Coaching Staff as well and Injury luck. The last 3 years, anyone being objective will tell you that the Injuries played a part in either the Dolphins losing in the Playoffs or not get there like last year. Chris Grier's job is to get his Coaches the Players and he does a good job of that. Last year, being cap-strapped, he was able to get Pro Bowl caliber guys like Jonnu S., A. Brewer, J. Brooks, Calais C.! Even this year, with around $20M only in cap space, he has signed 1 starting Safety, re-signed starting ILB, 1 starting G, #3 WR, upgrade at Punter, top 3 blocking TE per Seattle's GM! Just 8-9 months ago, the Players voted Miami with the second most top 100 players! PFF and Fox among others voted Miami as a top 10 talented team last Summer. Grier is not perfect but he does a much better job than some people want you to believe.
Season 4 Wow GIF by The Office


How much does Grier pay you to spread this BS?
 
And who's fault is it he only has $20M in cap space to play with? Ross'? McDaniel's?

He was given a clean slate with a bevy of picks and a near-open cap...and NOTHING to show for it. NOTHING.

Injuries play a part on EVERY team in the league, but if one team keeps having more than others (for argument's sake), did the GM take risks on oft-injured or at-risk players?

The talking heads and other players can rate the team and hype them up all they want, in the end, its paper excellence at best. RESULTS matter.
Well, being that Brandon Shore, rather than Grier, manages player contracts and team cap I’m not sure why Grier gets the blame in any of that? (Their cap space has been and is fine, BTW)

Grier should have been fired a while ago. Mainly because he’s poor at evaluating leaders and consistently brings in soft and mentally weak players.
 
Well, being that Brandon Shore, rather than Grier, manages player contracts and team cap I’m not sure why Grier gets the blame in any of that? (Their cap space has been and is fine, BTW)

Grier should have been fired a while ago. Mainly because he’s poor at evaluating leaders and consistently brings in soft and mentally weak players.
Grier is in charge of "general management" of the team. Now, inside the Dolphins organization, does that mean the same as it means for other teams? Probably not. Ross is a football idiot too, however, so that doesn't mean that having their own unique accountability structure is good/proper. The buck ultimately stops at Ross, and since he'll never fire himself, he should realize he's ****ed it up for decades and pivot.
 
Back
Top Bottom