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Dave Hyde: Chris Grier is the Liam Eichenberg of general managers

You seem to be a poster who knows top 10 talent and..

No, sorry I can’t, was going to make a joke but obviously just kidding.
I follow independent outlets that don't have agendas like local Miami writers, such as Dave Hyde, Brian Miller and some posters on this Board. So below are the links that had put Miami really high for Roster Talent - Fox (#7), PFF (#11) and the voting by NFL Players placing Miami second in talent only to 49ers with 8 players including the #1 player Tyreek Hill. Of course, all this talent ably put together by Mr. Chris Grier. Show the man some respect.

https://www.foxsports.com/stories/nfl/nfl-roster-rankings-top-10-teams-49ers-eagles-chiefs

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-roster-rankings-all-32-teams-2024-strengths-weaknesses-x-factors

2024 NFL Top 100 Voted by Players –

 
He got a gift on that tunsil trade and that’s about it. I remember when ppl would say “the gift that keeps on giving” but only a few years later and it didn’t really give shitt 😂
See my post above and you will know what gifts we got from that trade.
 
I follow independent outlets that don't have agendas like local Miami writers, such as Dave Hyde, Brian Miller and some posters on this Board. So below are the links that had put Miami really high for Roster Talent - Fox (#7), PFF (#11) and the voting by NFL Players placing Miami second in talent only to 49ers with 8 players including the #1 player Tyreek Hill. Of course, all this talent ably put together by Mr. Chris Grier. Show the man some respect.

https://www.foxsports.com/stories/nfl/nfl-roster-rankings-top-10-teams-49ers-eagles-chiefs

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-roster-rankings-all-32-teams-2024-strengths-weaknesses-x-factors

2024 NFL Top 100 Voted by Players –

People were enamored with Tyreek which is understandable after his two great years but I watched the team and top 10 talent comes to mind exactly nunce.

QB room - poor, a delicate mediocre to good starter and no backup capable to play in NFL
OL room - one of the worst, every year
WR room - great on paper but Tyreek/Waddle regressed and OBJ did zero so was a nice name signing only
RB room - pretty good but hard to operate with that terrible OL
TE room - OK, one good FA get and a couple worthless Jags that have been around for years
Punter - poor
Kicker - good
Edge - injured vets and or vets that signed and never played, plus our 1st round rookie, the lone bright spot
DL - Poor, Seiler and Jags
LB - Poor, we have one and he just arrived last year
CB - Mediocre - Ramsey is good, the rest are UDFA Jags for most part, the Fuller pickup didn't work out
Safety - Poor - Might have looked good on paper with Holland and Poyer and a few other vets but once again falling for the old guy name trick when guys can't play anymore

I don't know how you go into a season without a backup QB and one of the worst OL's in the league and call yourself top 10. I don't know how a team with almost no pass rush and that lost its best DT calls itself top 10.

Anyway, not picking on you, I realize some of the preseason rankings were high, I just want real top 10 talent, difference makers, and it's got to come from the draft. 10 picks Grier, a lot of them high, get it done.
 
I follow independent outlets that don't have agendas like local Miami writers, such as Dave Hyde, Brian Miller and some posters on this Board. So below are the links that had put Miami really high for Roster Talent - Fox (#7), PFF (#11) and the voting by NFL Players placing Miami second in talent only to 49ers with 8 players including the #1 player Tyreek Hill. Of course, all this talent ably put together by Mr. Chris Grier. Show the man some respect.

https://www.foxsports.com/stories/nfl/nfl-roster-rankings-top-10-teams-49ers-eagles-chiefs

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-roster-rankings-all-32-teams-2024-strengths-weaknesses-x-factors

2024 NFL Top 100 Voted by Players –

Our 1/2 wr didn’t combine anywhere near 2k yards. The 2nd highes wr room in football. Chase put up more yards alone than Hill/waddle combined. This team is very top heavy and that top is old. You have a few good but old players, you have some talent that can’t stay healthy and you have massive holes everywhere because of the terrible job with some of the contracts given out. The 2021 draft was suppose to be Griers best and it has turned out to be pretty damn bad
 
Ross is the ceo of a multi-billion dollar commercial real estate business
The Dolphins are his toy that turn a profit regardless of the on-field product for him, he doesn't even live in South Florida most of the year.
If you think he's spending most of his time scouting and barking orders about the football operations side of the team then we can agree to disagree.
Under his (Mello’s) scenario, no self respecting experienced head NFL coach will EVER come here to even interview for a job. The organization is probably viewed as a laughing stock, if his view is correct, concerning Ross.

Why would anyone even root for a team thinking that the owner is just behind the scenes making all the strategic moves and telling the GM who to pick and sign!! 😂
 
Under his (Mello’s) scenario, no self respecting experienced head NFL coach will EVER come here to even interview for a job. The organization is probably viewed as a laughing stock, if his view is correct, concerning Ross.

Why would anyone even root for a team thinking that the owner is just behind the scenes making all the strategic moves and telling the GM who to pick and sign!! 😂

It's just another form of it's not Grier's fault. We cannot even agree on this forum to the influence the general manager and president of football operations has on the team. I don't really care about the inner workings of the Dolphins at this point, I've seen enough over the last ten years or so that he is not moving the ball forward for the organization.
 
Dave Hyde writes negative articles - writers like him Brian Miller of Phin Phanatic, on the national level Colin Cowherd, they say/write things about the Dolphins that makes you wonder if they just can't see what really goes on or just have agendas that they must keep up with. Not too long ago, Dave Hyde was questioning the work that Chris Grier has done. The performance on the field is a teamwork of not only the Front Office but the Coaching Staff as well and Injury luck. The last 3 years, anyone being objective will tell you that the Injuries played a part in either the Dolphins losing in the Playoffs or not get there like last year. Chris Grier's job is to get his Coaches the Players and he does a good job of that. Last year, being cap-strapped, he was able to get Pro Bowl caliber guys like Jonnu S., A. Brewer, J. Brooks, Calais C.! Even this year, with around $20M only in cap space, he has signed 1 starting Safety, re-signed starting ILB, 1 starting G, #3 WR, upgrade at Punter, top 3 blocking TE per Seattle's GM! Just 8-9 months ago, the Players voted Miami with the second most top 100 players! PFF and Fox among others voted Miami as a top 10 talented team last Summer. Grier is not perfect but he does a much better job than some people want you to believe. as and
 
People were enamored with Tyreek which is understandable after his two great years but I watched the team and top 10 talent comes to mind exactly nunce.

QB room - poor, a delicate mediocre to good starter and no backup capable to play in NFL
OL room - one of the worst, every year
WR room - great on paper but Tyreek/Waddle regressed and OBJ did zero so was a nice name signing only
RB room - pretty good but hard to operate with that terrible OL
TE room - OK, one good FA get and a couple worthless Jags that have been around for years
Punter - poor
Kicker - good
Edge - injured vets and or vets that signed and never played, plus our 1st round rookie, the lone bright spot
DL - Poor, Seiler and Jags
LB - Poor, we have one and he just arrived last year
CB - Mediocre - Ramsey is good, the rest are UDFA Jags for most part, the Fuller pickup didn't work out
Safety - Poor - Might have looked good on paper with Holland and Poyer and a few other vets but once again falling for the old guy name trick when guys can't play anymore

I don't know how you go into a season without a backup QB and one of the worst OL's in the league and call yourself top 10. I don't know how a team with almost no pass rush and that lost its best DT calls itself top 10.

Anyway, not picking on you, I realize some of the preseason rankings were high, I just want real top 10 talent, difference makers, and it's got to come from the draft. 10 picks Grier, a lot of them high, get it done.
There's nothing wrong for you to assess the Roster based on your opinion. Just remember that National outlets that are independent and follow all teams do not agree with you and have way better opinion/regard of Dolphins talent than you do. As for a backup QB, we failed there miserably last year which really cost us a playoff berth. As for interior OL, Coaches from Shanahan tree typically don't value them as much. The 49ers, Dolphins, Texans are weak at that position. I personally feel McDaniel is responsible for our backup QB and Interior OL issues for those reasons. I live in the Northern California region and the 49ers situation presently with the Team and fans is a lot more unsettling than ours as they let a lot of good players go last three weeks not for cap reasons (they now have plenty of cap space) but for cash flow reasons - they are tightening their spending and in fact John Lynch, the GM, does not have free reign anymore as he is answering to the Owner and his President and Executive over Football Operations, Parag Marathe. But their fans, at least the ones that call KNBR 680 The Sports Leader that I have heard and their Media/Radio personalities are more courteous and gracious than some of the negative Dolphin fans and the Dolphins Media, such as Dave Hyde, Brian Miller, etc. Not that they are happy with the situation but they choose to do things a little differently.
 
Under his (Mello’s) scenario, no self respecting experienced head NFL coach will EVER come here to even interview for a job. The organization is probably viewed as a laughing stock, if his view is correct, concerning Ross.

Why would anyone even root for a team thinking that the owner is just behind the scenes making all the strategic moves and telling the GM who to pick and sign!! 😂

There's a lot of room between Ross pulling all the strings and Ross letting the GM steer the ship anywhere that GM may wish.

Ross has made it very clear he wants 2 things:

(1) A competent person to run the show (Harbaugh, Tannenbaum, Payton, etc.)
(2) A franchise QB who is a star

Ross' actions have always attempted to further those goals:

- Driving out Parcells and chasing Jim Harbaugh was an attempt at #1.

- Drafting RT17 and burning through OCs and HCs to "fix" him was an attempt at #2.

- Handing Flores all the $$$ and picks from the Tank to install a NE-esque culture was another stab at #1.

- Drafting Tua, pivoting to McDaniel and later extending the QB was another attempt at #2.



If '25 goes poorly enough for Ross to fire people I can about promise that his first impulse will be to move heaven and earth to throw a record-setting contract at a "proven" person (likely a HC) to come in and take control.

After all, he was all but ready to extend an offer to Payton making him the highest paid HC in the history of the NFL. The best question is who is out there?

I'd wager that's the conversation Ross is actually having right now with his advisors (people like Bruce Beal who helped him tamper).

It's just another form of it's not Grier's fault. We cannot even agree on this forum to the influence the general manager and president of football operations has on the team. I don't really care about the inner workings of the Dolphins at this point, I've seen enough over the last ten years or so that he is not moving the ball forward for the organization.

Okay, don't insult me...like you, I've been a fan for years and I'm trying to monitor the longer trends that define who the Ross-era Dolphins are.

All Owners are different and their priorities are what define their era. Ross' priorities explain why we consistently fall short. He has a paradigm wherein a "Great HC" or a "hero QB" are what it takes to be successful. He's going to make dramatic moves to try and achieve his most fundamental of goals.

I think the Ross era has been the story of his misguided attempts to 'rescue' the franchise according to those goals:

'12-'18: Draft Tannehill and support him as QB1 replacing HCs as necessary
'19-'21: Tank & Install NE-type Culture (roster stripped down, tons of picks spent everywhere, let Flo define culture)*
'22-'25: Current**

*People forget that Flores was kept on for 2 more years after the tank year. The fact he didn't go along with the tank did not result in his being fired which demonstrates that he had real value to Ross as someone who could install NE's "culture."

**The current era is defined by extravagant spending and big moves aimed at capitalizing on the now: Armstead, Chubb, Tyreek, etc.


Personally, I want to win. I don't much care what that looks like because the winners largely look pretty good however they do it. KC has a star QB. Philly has a dominant team. What I recognize is that the modern success story has largely been those types of solid, capable, Wildcard-level teams stumbling upon improvements at QB who help an already-strong team get to that highest level.

Mahomes, Watson, Wilson, Jackson, Hurts, Purdy and so many others who "worked out"...they all went to good, Playoff-caliber teams. Stafford got a ring quickly going to a solid team. It's happened over and over in this era.

I'd prefer the Dolphins be that type of Baltimore- or Pittsburgh-esque team that's never more than a good QB away from being legit.

Do I think Chris Grier is the type of visionary to build a stable team that's strong-on-defense and tough-on-offense year-in, year-out? Maybe not. I generally think that for a non-coach he's pretty good with defensive talent. He's generally been pretty decent there outside his last couple boundary CB picks. Do I trust him with OL? No, of course not. He should've taken action on the IOL sooner. No question...most of us were expecting that last year when it was already a five alarm fire.

Do I give much of a crap that he didn't prioritize it during a year when we knew the team would be bad anyway with multiple $100M trench players leaving, a bunch of Flores-era defensive talent leaving, a new DC, both edge rushers out or returning from devastating injury, etc.?

Was I calling for a strong '24? No...I'm an honest person. I could see the writing on the wall. We were going to go as far as our offense could drag us and our QB missed 1/3rd of the season AGAIN.

But I honestly don't think the Dolphins are destined for success under Ross because he's a spender who can't seem to find the right product. He wants to throw money at the problem (which is understandable given his background). To be clear, that could work if he found the right HC to hand his franchise to.

If he had landed Harbaugh or Payton,...hey, who knows, right?

But for some reason, coaches have never liked Ross and I don't think they ever will. Parcells ran as soon as Ross took over. I assume Ross wanted control that Parcells recognized wasn't healthy for an Owner to have. Who did Parcells work for prior and complain about? Jerry Jones!

Flores took Ross to court, slamming the Dolphins in the press. He didn't say Chris Grier sucked though. Fangio couldn't wait to get out. I think we can assume a little something about an organization where the Owner doesn't stand up for Vic Fangio. Harbaugh turned him down. Payton was all to happy to sweep under the rug whatever talks had happened between Ross, Beal and him.

At the end of the day, Grier may suck (or he may not) but the reason we fail is because our Owner fails and because people generally don't like whatever it is that he's pitching.
 
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10th year running the draft - ouch.

This part was a zinger:


Instead, he chuckled at media in August for questioning the guard situation and said the backup quarterback is just fine. After the season collapsed in good part because of the interior line and backup quarterback, he acknowledge they were now priorities.”

So true. Not so smug now are you, you incompetent schmuck.

Also, Pear Tart started for the Chargers last year? Why did we cut him again? Too fat?
 
There's a lot of room between Ross pulling all the strings and Ross letting the GM steer the ship anywhere that GM may wish.

Ross has made it very clear he wants 2 things:

(1) A competent person to run the show (Harbaugh, Tannenbaum, Payton, etc.)
(2) A franchise QB who is a star

Ross' actions have always attempted to further those goals:

- Driving out Parcells and chasing Jim Harbaugh was an attempt at #1.

- Drafting RT17 and burning through OCs and HCs to "fix" him was an attempt at #2.

- Handing Flores all the $$$ and picks from the Tank to install a NE-esque culture was another stab at #1.

- Drafting Tua, pivoting to McDaniel and later extending the QB was another attempt at #2.



If '25 goes poorly enough for Ross to fire people I can about promise that his first impulse will be to move heaven and earth to throw a record-setting contract at a "proven" person (likely a HC) to come in and take control.

After all, he was all but ready to extend an offer to Payton making him the highest paid HC in the history of the NFL. The best question is who is out there?

I'd wager that's the conversation Ross is actually having right now with his advisors (people like Bruce Beal who helped him tamper).



Okay, don't insult me...like you, I've been a fan for years and I'm trying to monitor the longer trends that define who the Ross-era Dolphins are.

All Owners are different and their priorities are what define their era. Ross' priorities explain why we consistently fall short. He has a paradigm wherein a "Great HC" or a "hero QB" are what it takes to be successful. He's going to make dramatic moves to try and achieve his most fundamental of goals.

I think the Ross era has been the story of his misguided attempts to 'rescue' the franchise according to those goals:

'12-'18: Draft Tannehill and support him as QB1 replacing HCs as necessary
'19-'21: Tank & Install NE-type Culture (roster stripped down, tons of picks spent everywhere, let Flo define culture)*
'22-'25: Current**

*People forget that Flores was kept on for 2 more years after the tank year. The fact he didn't go along with the tank did not result in his being fired which demonstrates that he had real value to Ross as someone who could install NE's "culture."

**The current era is defined by extravagant spending and big moves aimed at capitalizing on the now: Armstead, Chubb, Tyreek, etc.


Personally, I want to win. I don't much care what that looks like because the winners largely look pretty good however they do it. KC has a star QB. Philly has a dominant team. What I recognize is that the modern success story has largely been those types of solid, capable, Wildcard-level teams stumbling upon improvements at QB who help an already-strong team get to that highest level.

Mahomes, Watson, Wilson, Jackson, Hurts, Purdy and so many others who "worked out"...they all went to good, Playoff-caliber teams. Stafford got a ring quickly going to a solid team. It's happened over and over in this era.

I'd prefer the Dolphins be that type of Baltimore- or Pittsburgh-esque team that's never more than a good QB away from being legit.

Do I think Chris Grier is the type of visionary to build a stable team that's strong-on-defense and tough-on-offense year-in, year-out? Maybe not. I generally think that for a non-coach he's pretty good with defensive talent. He's generally been pretty decent there outside his last couple boundary CB picks. Do I trust him with OL? No, of course not. He should've taken action on the IOL sooner. No question...most of us were expecting that last year when it was already a five alarm fire.

Do I give much of a crap that he didn't prioritize it during a year when we knew the team would be bad anyway with multiple $100M trench players leaving, a bunch of Flores-era defensive talent leaving, a new DC, both edge rushers out or returning from devastating injury, etc.?

Was I calling for a strong '24? No...I'm an honest person. I could see the writing on the wall. We were going to go as far as our offense could drag us and our QB missed 1/3rd of the season AGAIN.

But I honestly don't think the Dolphins are destined for success under Ross because he's a spender who can't seem to find the right product. He wants to throw money at the problem (which is understandable given his background). To be clear, that could work if he found the right HC to hand his franchise to.

If he had landed Harbaugh or Payton,...hey, who knows, right?

But for some reason, coaches have never liked Ross and I don't think they ever will. Parcells ran as soon as Ross took over. I assume Ross wanted control that Parcells recognized wasn't healthy for an Owner to have. Who did Parcells work for prior and complain about? Jerry Jones!

Flores took Ross to court, slamming the Dolphins in the press. He didn't say Chris Grier sucked though. Fangio couldn't wait to get out. I think we can assume a little something about an organization where the Owner doesn't stand up for Vic Fangio. Harbaugh turned him down. Payton was all to happy to sweep under the rug whatever talks had happened between Ross, Beal and him.

At the end of the day, Grier may suck (or he may not) but the reason we fail is because our Owner fails and because people generally don't like whatever it is that he's pitching.
Chris Grier sucks. Ross sucks more and I’ve been with you on that for years. The man is a football idiot and has no idea how to build a functional organization. The buck stops w him.

PS Chris Grier still sucks though. 10 years running the draft is more than enough.
 
Grier got to hire Flores himself, they had been friends for years before he was hired
Ross was not the person behind hiring Flores
It's more gray with McDaniel, but Flores was a Grier hire.

First, Grier and others are wrong!! "“It was a matter of finding the right guy that we felt was going to be a leader of men." A "leader of men" by itself is a path to failure. Talent and staff building matter. I HOPE Grier learned his lesson.

Second, "Ross allowed Grier, who has been newly empowered on all things Dolphins football, to push this hire." "Push" doesn't sound like 'Grier, by himself.' And "Ross obviously signed off on the Flores hiring, as he did the others" doesn't sound like 'Grier, by himself.' Admittedly, none of us know the details, but that article is kinda fuzzy.
 
There's nothing wrong for you to assess the Roster based on your opinion. Just remember that National outlets that are independent and follow all teams do not agree with you and have way better opinion/regard of Dolphins talent than you do. As for a backup QB, we failed there miserably last year which really cost us a playoff berth. As for interior OL, Coaches from Shanahan tree typically don't value them as much. The 49ers, Dolphins, Texans are weak at that position. I personally feel McDaniel is responsible for our backup QB and Interior OL issues for those reasons. I live in the Northern California region and the 49ers situation presently with the Team and fans is a lot more unsettling than ours as they let a lot of good players go last three weeks not for cap reasons (they now have plenty of cap space) but for cash flow reasons - they are tightening their spending and in fact John Lynch, the GM, does not have free reign anymore as he is answering to the Owner and his President and Executive over Football Operations, Parag Marathe. But their fans, at least the ones that call KNBR 680 The Sports Leader that I have heard and their Media/Radio personalities are more courteous and gracious than some of the negative Dolphin fans and the Dolphins Media, such as Dave Hyde, Brian Miller, etc. Not that they are happy with the situation but they choose to do things a little differently.
Do the National outlets that thought the Dolphins had top 10 talent last year still think that heading into 2025? Think they were just incredibly wrong last year, as they are in many cases. Always hind site, never fore site. They've probably caught up by now.
 
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