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Dave Hyde: Chris Grier is the Liam Eichenberg of general managers

There's a lot of room between Ross pulling all the strings and Ross letting the GM steer the ship anywhere that GM may wish.

Ross has made it very clear he wants 2 things:

(1) A competent person to run the show (Harbaugh, Tannenbaum, Payton, etc.)
(2) A franchise QB who is a star

Ross' actions have always attempted to further those goals:

- Driving out Parcells and chasing Jim Harbaugh was an attempt at #1.

- Drafting RT17 and burning through OCs and HCs to "fix" him was an attempt at #2.

- Handing Flores all the $$$ and picks from the Tank to install a NE-esque culture was another stab at #1.

- Drafting Tua, pivoting to McDaniel and later extending the QB was another attempt at #2.



If '25 goes poorly enough for Ross to fire people I can about promise that his first impulse will be to move heaven and earth to throw a record-setting contract at a "proven" person (likely a HC) to come in and take control.

After all, he was all but ready to extend an offer to Payton making him the highest paid HC in the history of the NFL. The best question is who is out there?

I'd wager that's the conversation Ross is actually having right now with his advisors (people like Bruce Beal who helped him tamper).



Okay, don't insult me...like you, I've been a fan for years and I'm trying to monitor the longer trends that define who the Ross-era Dolphins are.

All Owners are different and their priorities are what define their era. Ross' priorities explain why we consistently fall short. He has a paradigm wherein a "Great HC" or a "hero QB" are what it takes to be successful. He's going to make dramatic moves to try and achieve his most fundamental of goals.

I think the Ross era has been the story of his misguided attempts to 'rescue' the franchise according to those goals:

'12-'18: Draft Tannehill and support him as QB1 replacing HCs as necessary
'19-'21: Tank & Install NE-type Culture (roster stripped down, tons of picks spent everywhere, let Flo define culture)*
'22-'25: Current**

*People forget that Flores was kept on for 2 more years after the tank year. The fact he didn't go along with the tank did not result in his being fired which demonstrates that he had real value to Ross as someone who could install NE's "culture."

**The current era is defined by extravagant spending and big moves aimed at capitalizing on the now: Armstead, Chubb, Tyreek, etc.


Personally, I want to win. I don't much care what that looks like because the winners largely look pretty good however they do it. KC has a star QB. Philly has a dominant team. What I recognize is that the modern success story has largely been those types of solid, capable, Wildcard-level teams stumbling upon improvements at QB who help an already-strong team get to that highest level.

Mahomes, Watson, Wilson, Jackson, Hurts, Purdy and so many others who "worked out"...they all went to good, Playoff-caliber teams. Stafford got a ring quickly going to a solid team. It's happened over and over in this era.

I'd prefer the Dolphins be that type of Baltimore- or Pittsburgh-esque team that's never more than a good QB away from being legit.

Do I think Chris Grier is the type of visionary to build a stable team that's strong-on-defense and tough-on-offense year-in, year-out? Maybe not. I generally think that for a non-coach he's pretty good with defensive talent. He's generally been pretty decent there outside his last couple boundary CB picks. Do I trust him with OL? No, of course not. He should've taken action on the IOL sooner. No question...most of us were expecting that last year when it was already a five alarm fire.

Do I give much of a crap that he didn't prioritize it during a year when we knew the team would be bad anyway with multiple $100M trench players leaving, a bunch of Flores-era defensive talent leaving, a new DC, both edge rushers out or returning from devastating injury, etc.?

Was I calling for a strong '24? No...I'm an honest person. I could see the writing on the wall. We were going to go as far as our offense could drag us and our QB missed 1/3rd of the season AGAIN.

But I honestly don't think the Dolphins are destined for success under Ross because he's a spender who can't seem to find the right product. He wants to throw money at the problem (which is understandable given his background). To be clear, that could work if he found the right HC to hand his franchise to.

If he had landed Harbaugh or Payton,...hey, who knows, right?

But for some reason, coaches have never liked Ross and I don't think they ever will. Parcells ran as soon as Ross took over. I assume Ross wanted control that Parcells recognized wasn't healthy for an Owner to have. Who did Parcells work for prior and complain about? Jerry Jones!

Flores took Ross to court, slamming the Dolphins in the press. He didn't say Chris Grier sucked though. Fangio couldn't wait to get out. I think we can assume a little something about an organization where the Owner doesn't stand up for Vic Fangio. Harbaugh turned him down. Payton was all to happy to sweep under the rug whatever talks had happened between Ross, Beal and him.

At the end of the day, Grier may suck (or he may not) but the reason we fail is because our Owner fails and because people generally don't like whatever it is that he's pitching.

I don't mean to insult anyone on this board, if you took it that way that's not my intention.
I disagree on the influence Ross has on the football operations other than hiring people he thinks are the right people for the job.
I also don't think Grier sucks, I think he's the general manager version of a honda accord. Overall economically pragmatic and reliable that will safely get you to your destination of 9-8 or 8-9.
 
I don't mean to insult anyone on this board, if you took it that way that's not my intention.
I disagree on the influence Ross has on the football operations other than hiring people he thinks are the right people for the job.
I also don't think Grier sucks, I think he's the general manager version of a honda accord. Overall economically pragmatic and reliable that will safely get you to your destination of 9-8 or 8-9.

What do you think of Ross' inability to secure a veteran leader with experience?

You don't see that as a huge issue?

Parcells said no.
Flores left with a hostile attitude.
Fangio thought we were a joke (maybe more MM, Ross obviously didn't back Vic to any appreciable extent).
Harbaugh said no.
Payton didn't accept.


Who exactly do you think is in line for Ross to hire if you honestly believe he's actually willing to hand control to someone?

My "problem" with your take is that you blame stuff on Grier when he's just a bureaucrat, dude. He's not here to have a vision. He's here to handle the football operations and make sure the roster is fleshed out IAW what the HC wants.

You guys act like this team is the expression of Grier's vision when I seriously doubt he was hired to have any kind of vision.
 
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This is not about 2025, this is about the last few years. 2025 Roster is not complete yet for any Team. I would trust people who follow the talent league wide than the Posters here to make objective evaluations.
 
I will again go in with hope that Grier & Co. can figure this out and build a more solid and deep team, but for real the recent re-signing of Eichenberg feels like a giant, narcissistic "FU" to fans. Nobody can convince me otherwise.
 
What do you think of Ross' inability to secure a veteran leader with experience?

You don't see that as a huge issue?

Parcells said no.
Flores left with a hostile attitude.
Fangio thought we were a joke (maybe more MM, Ross obviously didn't back Vic to any appreciable extent).
Harbaugh said no.
Payton didn't accept.


Who exactly do you think is in line for Ross to hire if you honestly believe he's actually willing to hand control to someone?

My "problem" with your take is that you blame stuff on Grier when he's just a bureaucrat, dude. He's not here to have a vision. He's here to handle the football operations and make sure the roster is fleshed out IAW what the HC wants.

You guys act like this team is the expression of Grier's vision when I seriously doubt he was hired to have any kind of vision.

I don't know what happened with Parcells, from my recollection the plan was for him to get the team up and running and hand it off to Ireland and Sparano.
We know what then occurred between Ireland and Sparano
I think he cannot get a guy in here because he requires them to take on some kind of leftover from the previous regime such as Ireland, Philbin, and Grier. That's on him 100%
We disagree on Grier's influence, he's more than a bureaucrat in my opinion.
I don't know who Ross would want to hire, but the pragmatic decision if he's looking next year is to let a HC and or GM bring in someone they want to work with as a regime, not require him to work with someone already here.
My guess if he does make sweeping changes is he's going to want Chris Shula, if he lets Shula pick a GM to work with i'd be fine with that.
What i do think is going to happen is Grier is gone before next season and it's McDaniel and Champ Kelly.
 
I don't know what happened with Parcells, from my recollection the plan was for him to get the team up and running and hand it off to Ireland and Sparano.
We know what then occurred between Ireland and Sparano
I think he cannot get a guy in here because he requires them to take on some kind of leftover from the previous regime such as Ireland, Philbin, and Grier. That's on him 100%
We disagree on Grier's influence, he's more than a bureaucrat in my opinion.
I don't know who Ross would want to hire, but the pragmatic decision if he's looking next year is to let a HC and or GM bring in someone they want to work with as a regime, not require him to work with someone already here.
My guess if he does make sweeping changes is he's going to want Chris Shula, if he lets Shula pick a GM to work with i'd be fine with that.
What i do think is going to happen is Grier is gone before next season and it's McDaniel and Champ Kelly.

I think Ross wants to hand the team to a singular figure but probably wants that individual to have a Super Bowl appearance (and preferably a win).

The only names floating around in recent years with that kind of prestige would've been Jim Harbaugh and Sean Payton. Other names are either permanent fixtures on their respective teams (e.g. Reid, Shanahan, Tomlin, McVay, Quinn, etc.) or they aren't necessarily guys you'd immediately want IF they broke free (e.g. Zac Taylor).



All the smaller names we've seen the Dolphins hire (who as you rightly point out are continually forced to be some piece of a larger puzzle working in tandem with existing personnel) aren't given full control because their resumes don't warrant it. You weren't going to let Philbin or Gase re-arrange the entire Front Office.

We know these hires have not been the people Ross wanted. He wanted Jim Harbaugh and settled for Philbin. We know he wanted Sean Payton and settled on the alternatives of Flores / McDaniel.

Unless Ross can land the whale he wants, we'll keep getting more of the same, half-measure approach...and at this point I don't know if there are any legitimate whales out there. Guys like Belichick, Arians and Cowher are ancient history now, way beyond their prime.


I don't see a whale out there and besides, we know Ross prefers younger HCs between 40-55yo. Harbaugh and Payton were in their 50s when they were approached. Philbin was in his mid-50s when with the Dolphins.

This is why I think Ross may have to sit still for awhile and buy into what he's got. If he's thinking that way, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see the Pendulum in Miami settle down and find some more basic, sustainable middle way which would actually probably be the best thing for everyone. I loved the moves last year aside from not addressing IOL. I see no reason the team can't do all the right things this year.

I keep saying, there's never a bad time to start making good decisions.
 
I will again go in with hope that Grier & Co. can figure this out and build a more solid and deep team, but for real the recent re-signing of Eichenberg feels like a giant, narcissistic "FU" to fans. Nobody can convince me otherwise.
If we draft OG in the first 3 rounds, Eich is relegated to being the last spot on the roster for the Oline which is lowkey a pretty good pickup. Like the dude sucks but the 8th/9th linemen on every single roster in the NFL is hot trash. Eich can fill all 5 positions and hopefully won't even be needed.

People blowing the Eich resigning way out of proportion
 
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