David Cornwell’s statement regarding Jonathan Martin

[butta247]

Really? I must have missed that part in the "Man Handbook" where it says we should instinctively blame the victim.

incognito picked on him like a little brother (according to an eye witness). Martin is a 325lb 6'5 grown ass man playing a violent sport. Do you expect anybody to actually think this guy is a victim?

 

[dlockz]

:lol2: brilliant.

Yea Im starting to realize the more absurd stuff you say the more it makes sense lol

 

[roy_miami]

Joe was pretty specific that not only did Martin not complain, he never specifically mentioned that any players were harassing him. That's kinda... yeah.

I'll end my round of speculation on some really ridiculous **** tonight with one last piece of speculation: Jon Martin has a serious mental illness.

This is speculation based on speculation but if Martin really is suicidal because of football and is being guided to stay away from the game while attacking the game to get compensated then he's on the wrong path. He's gonna be bullied/harassed for the rest of his life which will probably be shortened by the very thing he was trying to avoid in the first place.

 

[Shouright]

For the entire season-and-a-half that he was with the Dolphins, he attempted to befriend the same teammates who subjected him to the abuse with the hope that doing so would end the harassment. This is a textbook reaction of victims of bullying.

And which "textbook" is that? The one David Cornwell is writing as we go along?

He takes the major piece of data that doesn't fit with his client's case and spins it into something that does.

Well since you mentioned it, let's see the textbook. While you're at it, I'll go get the one that says grown men don't typically tolerate bullying.

 

[TheWalrus]

incognito picked on him like a little brother (according to an eye witness). Martin is a 325lb 6'5 grown ass man playing a violent sport. Do you expect anybody to actually think this guy is a victim?

Just because you're 6'5, 325 doesn't mean you can't get your ass beat. George Foreman -- all 6'4, 220 pounds of him -- said his knees were literally shaking as the rules were being read out just before his first fight with Joe Frazier, who at 5'11 and 205 pounds was significantly smaller than him. The guy was a professional fighter and his knees were still shaking.

Now, he went out there and dismantled Frazier, but that isn't the point. If Foreman had run into Frazier on the street he would have run away like a scalded dog, just like Ali ran away from Sonny Liston before their first fight when Liston challenged him to a brawl in a casino.

 

[J. David Wannyheimer]

I think you are missing the context of the series of quotes, I originally was responding to another poster that felt that he might be empathetic to Martin if he came forward sooner, I asked what bearing does when he came forward have anything to do with your empathy towards a person being harassed at their workplace. I also expressed my confusion on why the timeline of when Martin quit is so important to the assessment of whether he was harassed or not.

I would say quitting is a form of reporting, drastic but someone got the message.

I know what you're doing here and all I can say is, if you don't see how his demotion is an interesting point to be considered that impacts how someone views his actions in the broader context of the entire situation, then uhm, good for you.

 

[dlockz]

I know what you're doing here and all I can say is, if you don't see how his demotion is an interesting point to be considered that impacts how someone views his actions in the broader context of the entire situation, then uhm, good for you.

Well somewhat of a demotion but still a starter.
Also McKinnie cant play RT so that movement was more of an indctment of how bad Clabo was.

 

[Chri$]

Dude I hate to burst anyone's sensitive bubble here, but my buds and I say much, much worse things to each other in jest. We're talking mama jokes, sister jokes, girl friend jokes, animal jokes .... I'm Hispanic, they call me spic and wetback ... some of my buds are bro's and use the n-word. Some of my bro's are real country and we use redneck, etc. We talk about penis size and nappy hair, tire rafts, missing teeth, inbreeding and all kinds of stuff .... but at the end of the day, we know we love each other dearly and we will fight satan himself for each other.

Martin is just a wuss bitch rat fink.

sorry to reburst ur bubble but ur comparing urself to an NFL player,which means if u were in the NFL and u were doing that riff raff stuff while being on an active roster u would be expelled immediately,that type of wordplay is NOT condoned in an NFL locker room theres something called RULES and regulations when u sign on contract in the NFL...u keep ur indigenous use of the english language at bay while getting paid millions and millions to play a game,u think this whole bombshell doesnt effect lil teenage kids,pee wee football players? u think they dont see this stuff on their faceboox,nfl apps? nothing u say will make Team Incog a reality its all an illusion,ur on a team of a guy who has violated just about every single rule u could while being a professional athlete and u wanna put him up there like hes some pope or something,u think he cares about u for a split second? u think if he seen u at a bar he wouldnt hesitate to call u a master splinter looking sp***k? of course not cause he is all that the media is making him out to be and unless u r walking in martins shoes and dealt with all that he has dealt with knowing the character cogz is u need to refrain from speaking anything on this matter.

 

[Shouright]

I think you are missing the context of the series of quotes, I originally was responding to another poster that felt that he might be empathetic to Martin if he came forward sooner, I asked what bearing does when he came forward have anything to do with your empathy towards a person being harassed at their workplace. I also expressed my confusion on why the timeline of when Martin quit is so important to the assessment of whether he was harassed or not.

I would say quitting is a form of reporting, drastic but someone got the message.

It makes me more likely to believe that his behavior is truly driven by the harassment, rather than a different motive, and therefore makes me more likely to be empathic to his experience.

If on the other hand I believe he's possibly up to something, I'll postpone the "empathy" until I have all the facts.

 

[MD]

Although this is not nearly as bad as I expected, it's bad enough to further humiliate the Dolphins and NFL locker rooms in general. I find it interesting that nowhere am I hearing that there was an indication or request by Martin to stop because it bothered him. I'm not sure of the rules that outline harassment in the civilian workplace but it can't be much different than the NFL and that is the victim has an obligation to inform the antagonizer to stop and only after that can it be construed as harassment. More he said he said but it could be critical. What we do now is the possibility exists that Martin played along with the antics, sharing voice mails, etc which indicate to me that it didn't bother him. Certainly if the comments about his sister bothered him he would have said something.

The NFL and Steven Ross have a real dilemma here and that's what to do with Ireland and Philbin. I have to believe that the NFL is hoping the investigation uncovers a hostile work environment because it makes it easy to sweep out the trash and start over. But it looks as though the NFLPA may support Incognito which could leave the possibility that Ireland and Philbin come out unscathed. If that were to happen the NFL would be disregarding what corporate America considers acceptable behavior and I am not certain they will do that.

It's a mess with no clear picture of what's going to happen long term because the direction changes daily. This has obviously grown to a testament to how the NFL operates and the world is watching what Goodell is going to do. I, for one, am very concerned with the fate of the franchise being in Goodell's hands.

 

[dlockz]

It makes me more likely to believe that his behavior is truly driven by the harassment, rather than a different motive, and therefore makes me more likely to be empathic to his experience.

If on the other hand I believe he's possibly up to something, I'll postpone the "empathy" until I have all the facts.

I just dont see the win scenario for him if this was case.

 

[Brad528]

Martin couldnt.keep the fact that he was raised rich incognito.

 

[1972fins]

Martin's sources even confirmed to ESPN that Martin didn't tell Philbin about this...

That's why Martin says he was being bullied, he was afraid to speak to anyone, what I wonder about is with him having mental health problems how does he fit into society at large, I don't think that he could function in any high pressure situation, his parents should have known that.
Football or any sport for that matter requires high levels of confidence and ability to cope with stress, any high end job requires the same qualities.
How could his parents ignore their son's problems and let him pursue a career for which he was ill prepared.

 

[dlockz]

That's why Martin says he was being bullied, he was afraid to speak to anyone, what I wonder about is with him having mental health problems how does he fit into society at large, I don't think that he could function in any high pressure situation, his parents should have known that.
Football or any sport for that matter requires high levels of confidence and ability to cope with stress, any high end job requires the same qualities.
How could his parents ignore their son's problems and let him pursue a career for which he was ill prepared.

More blaming of the parents like I said before thats like blaming Philbi for the death of his son. There were no signs there before that were reported that he had mental illness he survuved college football and 23 straight games as a starter so maybe stuff got bad to him.

 

[Shouright]

I just dont see the win scenario for him if this was case.

The win for him is that if his reason for leaving the team is something different altogether, by blaming the team for his leaving in the court of public opinion, he pressures the team to keep paying him while he's gone.