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Dear Ken O'Keefe, please teach Wallace to attack the ball with his hands ...

I keep reading that " it's not part of mike Wallace's skill set " or " that's not why he was brought here "......BS....Lack of effort is not a skill set, it's a mind set and needs to be corrected for Wallace to take the next step.
 
Penthos said:
Is that supposed to be a serious argument? If a 95 pound, 15 year old girl can use her hands to catch spirals thrown by a 6'1" 195 pound adult man. Then 6'0" 195 pound Mike Wallace can use his hands to catch a pass from 6'4" 225 pound Ryan Tannehill ...

(did I just get trolled? I can't believe I responded to such a stupid argument).
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Its kind of a stupid point that you brought up. Wallace doesn't catch with his hands, you have to learn that from the beginning and want to do that. I'm 5'10" and I've always caught with my hands, but I have above average hand size. If you have small hands its much harder learning how to catch with your hands then it is catching with your body. Plus that's not the type of game Wallace plays. He's a burner, not a guy your going to throw an end zone fade to and have him go up and get it. You paid him to stretch the field and he does just that, most deep passes that are actually thrown his way, he's wide open by atleast 4-5 yards. He's probably been getting open like that his whole life, hence why he catches the way he does. You wouldn't take Danny woodhead and have him strictly run between the tackles, then ask yourself why doesn't he run like a 250 lb running back.
 
DolfanDuBbZ~ said:
Money aside, what in Wallace's history, makes you think he is a Megatron type WR?

You people want a Tiger to change his stripes, when nothing on tape says he is who you want him to be. He is a guy who takes the top off the defense. He is not going to be your possession type WR, nor will he be a physical go up and fight for the ball WR. The TD he scored this past week, is what he is. Frankly, you people need to stop whining about it. He is what he is.
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I agree. I doubt much can be done at this point. Far too much evidence of the same behavior in similar circumstances.

I don't thing we grasped Wallace's limitations. I know I didn't, although I thought I followed him closely enough as a Steeler. Early this season I posted that I didn't realize that Wallace was such a klutz. That's still the best word I can summon. It's unbelievable how awkward and unathletic he can be in certain situations. Not only doesn't he fight for the ball or use his hands well, he doesn't adjust properly to a ball in flight. Tannehill's window on deep throws to him is not as spacious as it should be.

Still a valuable player with the burst touchdowns or big gains. I'm not sure the touchdown at the end of the half last week was fully appreciated. We're still more than a 2/1 underdog with a field goal and more than 3/1 if we don't score anything. Once we got 7, we were a minor underdog, even though New England was receiving. That's based on the betting line and second half odds. I don't pay attention to those generic situational numbers that are frequently touted around here.
 
Awsi Dooger said:
I agree. I doubt much can be done at this point. Far too much evidence of the same behavior in similar circumstances.

I don't thing we grasped Wallace's limitations. I know I didn't, although I thought I followed him closely enough as a Steeler. Early this season I posted that I didn't realize that Wallace was such a klutz. That's still the best word I can summon. It's unbelievable how awkward and unathletic he can be in certain situations. Not only doesn't he fight for the ball or use his hands well, he doesn't adjust properly to a ball in flight. Tannehill's window on deep throws to him is not as spacious as it should be.

Still a valuable player with the burst touchdowns or big gains. I'm not sure the touchdown at the end of the half last week was fully appreciated. We're still more than a 2/1 underdog with a field goal and more than 3/1 if we don't score anything. Once we got 7, we were a minor underdog, even though New England was receiving. That's based on the betting line and second half odds. I don't pay attention to those generic situational numbers that are frequently touted around here.
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I agree, and I have to wonder if the same sort of addition to the offense couldn't have been obtained with far less of a cap hit.
 
Awsi Dooger said:
I agree. I doubt much can be done at this point. Far too much evidence of the same behavior in similar circumstances.

I don't thing we grasped Wallace's limitations. I know I didn't, although I thought I followed him closely enough as a Steeler. Early this season I posted that I didn't realize that Wallace was such a klutz. That's still the best word I can summon. It's unbelievable how awkward and unathletic he can be in certain situations. Not only doesn't he fight for the ball or use his hands well, he doesn't adjust properly to a ball in flight. Tannehill's window on deep throws to him is not as spacious as it should be.

Still a valuable player with the burst touchdowns or big gains. I'm not sure the touchdown at the end of the half last week was fully appreciated. We're still more than a 2/1 underdog with a field goal and more than 3/1 if we don't score anything. Once we got 7, we were a minor underdog, even though New England was receiving. That's based on the betting line and second half odds. I don't pay attention to those generic situational numbers that are frequently touted around here.
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100% agree. Combine that with some of the deep throws being from dirty pockets, timing problems due to unfamiliarity, and the issues with play design that others have raised in the past and you have a recipe for low completion % on deep balls.

I noticed the same thing as you with Wallace being a bit of a klutz. Surprised me as well.
 
FinfanInBuffalo said:
Other than not signing him to a new contract for $60 million

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I'll reserve judgement until the next time a pass is 12 inches out of bounds.
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PITT as a rule of thumb, rarely pay big money to their WRs. That money is reserved for their LBs, QB and offensive line, for the most part.

And PITT was a far more dangerous team with Wallace, than with out.
 
Awsi Dooger said:
I agree. I doubt much can be done at this point. Far too much evidence of the same behavior in similar circumstances.

I don't thing we grasped Wallace's limitations. I know I didn't, although I thought I followed him closely enough as a Steeler. Early this season I posted that I didn't realize that Wallace was such a klutz. That's still the best word I can summon. It's unbelievable how awkward and unathletic he can be in certain situations. Not only doesn't he fight for the ball or use his hands well, he doesn't adjust properly to a ball in flight. Tannehill's window on deep throws to him is not as spacious as it should be.

Still a valuable player with the burst touchdowns or big gains. I'm not sure the touchdown at the end of the half last week was fully appreciated. We're still more than a 2/1 underdog with a field goal and more than 3/1 if we don't score anything. Once we got 7, we were a minor underdog, even though New England was receiving. That's based on the betting line and second half odds. I don't pay attention to those generic situational numbers that are frequently touted around here.
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With that said. The TD and the burst you see, is not something many others in NFL bring. He isn't a Teddy Ginnger avoiding contact.

Still his stride when he gets going, is effortless.

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mega-fin-love said:
I keep reading that " it's not part of mike Wallace's skill set " or " that's not why he was brought here "......BS....Lack of effort is not a skill set, it's a mind set and needs to be corrected for Wallace to take the next step.
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The next step? The guy has produced at a high level for some years already. And coming into a new system, new young QB and he is finding his place. You can not change what Wallace is. And I for one, see big things from him next year.
 
Penthos said:
You don't have to be 6'4" to use your hands. My daughter is 5'6" and snatches the ball out of the air like a ninja. In fact, you could argue that a lack of size is all the more reason to use your hands.
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What's her 40 time ????

Is she available to work with Wallace on his catching?

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You guys bashing Wallace are ridiculous.

Although, I dont find it difficult to believe that most of you are getting plenty of practice attacking balls with your hands.
 
It seems to me that Wallace is what he is. So, take advantage of that fact! Someone needs to analyze why Tannehill can't hit Wallace in stride when he flies past the defenders. Fix this, and they should be able to get another TD or two per game. (One more TD per game this season would probably have them at 10-2!)
 
gofins60 said:
It seems to me that Wallace is what he is. So, take advantage of that fact! Someone needs to analyze why Tannehill can't hit Wallace in stride when he flies past the defenders. Fix this, and they should be able to get another TD or two per game. (One more TD per game this season would probably have them at 10-2!)
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They're getting to that point. Hopefully we make the playoffs and then they really start clicking.......
 
gofins60 said:
It seems to me that Wallace is what he is. So, take advantage of that fact! Someone needs to analyze why Tannehill can't hit Wallace in stride when he flies past the defenders. Fix this, and they should be able to get another TD or two per game. (One more TD per game this season would probably have them at 10-2!)
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I think people bring up his catching ability because it's something than can be taught. Coaches can work with a player to help improve that area. Now on the other side of the equation, you can't teach speed. Wallace has this because he was born with it. You can't teach or coach Hartline to be as fast as Wallace. Ain't gonna happen. I know there are drills you can do, exercise, or the speed camps in the off season, but realistically - you can't teach speed.
I think with the right coaching, Wallace and Tannehill will get better and become a scary combination for defenses.
 
Be careful, I started a thread about Wallace a couple weeks ago after he played like crap in Pittsburgh........and then I got breaded by the clowns on this site.

Apparently, since he takes the top off of defenses and opens the field up for others.....we shouldn't have expectations that he will catch the ball.

People on this site are ridiculous. Saying that he isn't "that type" of receiver. You can't compare him to Megatron or Marshall. Our QB isn't making precise throws.

As far as I'm concerned......that's total B.S. If you are demanding that kind of money and you are a WR in the NFL, I expect you to catch the ball when it hits you in the hands. I expect you to make adjustments to under thrown balls. I expect you to jump and pull down a catch.

You can't get by in this league for just being fast and a decoy.
 
Scotty P said:
Be careful, I started a thread about Wallace a couple weeks ago after he played like crap in Pittsburgh........and then I got breaded by the clowns on this site.

Apparently, since he takes the top off of defenses and opens the field up for others.....we shouldn't have expectations that he will catch the ball.

People on this site are ridiculous. Saying that he isn't "that type" of receiver. You can't compare him to Megatron or Marshall. Our QB isn't making precise throws.

As far as I'm concerned......that's total B.S. If you are demanding that kind of money and you are a WR in the NFL, I expect you to catch the ball when it hits you in the hands. I expect you to make adjustments to under thrown balls. I expect you to jump and pull down a catch.

You can't get by in this league for just being fast and a decoy.
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He didn't demand anything, teams got in a bidding war over his skill set. If you want to debate whether or not his skill set was worth $60 million thats one thing but Wallace has been exactly what any reasonable person should have expected. In hindsight I don't think he's the best fit for Tannehill but thats neither here nor there, the bottom line is we have a ****ty GM and this team is being built through free agency (which rarely works).
 
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