Debate for the best CB tandem

[nyjunc]

EXACTLY, he is in the prime of his career, thank, and very soon Davis will start getting close to his PRIME, which could be as good or better then Revis. I agree, this Jets Homerfest is pretty funny, thinking Revis is the best, and wil constinue to be the best forever.....Jets fans just can't see the big picture.



3 years in the NFL is a big difference.



LOL.....How many INTs does he have so far? He is awesome in coverage, and a very dependable tackler. but he will never be top 10 al time, let alone top 5.



Revis's floor was better then Davis, but Davis has a higher ceiling, how good Davis can become, you really have no idea.

Davis can become as good in coverage as Revis, already is as good tackling, already is a more severe hitter to force ball from player, is close to as good a play maker as Revis, plays the run as good as Revis. The moment he start being mose consistant in coverage, and show more range to move around better, he is going to start to be noticed even more in a very big way, Davis is also as ****y as Revis, so he is not shy in telling the world how good he is, and can become, and will work hard like Revis to back it up.



You called Revis a possible alltime top 5 corner, and you talk about Dolphins fans? :err: Funny stuff



Congrats on Revis reaching the popularity show in his 2nd year.

Oh boy, Davis has a higher ceiling? This is all a joke, right? not even the biggest dolphin homer/Jet hater would make such a silly statement.

 

[AlexfromtheU]

Hypothetically let's say revis is a 10 and Cro a 5 and let's say Davis is a 7 and Smith 6. 15 would be better than 13, right? That would still make our tandem better.

In reality Cro and Davis are on a similar level and we have revis so we are comfortably ahead of Miami.

Revis & Cro are slightly older than your duo, what makes you think your duo will even catch ours let alone pass them?

I see Smith and Cro being closer to eachother than Davis and Cro. Cromartie is not a #1 CB and I think that Davis is without question a #1.

Either way we are not going to agree. I think the fact that we are younger and still have ceilings on both of our players give us the chance to take the top spot before you guys do.

Now obviously I cannot say with certainty they will be better, but if they continue progressing the way they have (i.e. 'all things equal') we have no reason not to be.

 

[Clipse]

Typical Junc. The NY Jets are perfect! All sunshine, rainbows, and lollipops in new jersey. Face the facts, Cromartie is very suspect, both in coverage, and especially as a tackler.

 

[Ruby2]

Revis is a 2 time all pro after being in the league for 4 years, and had arguably the best season in history by a cornerback two years ago.

Pretty much any knowledgable person outside of this board would tell you that top 5 is by no means a stretch whatsoever.

Revis's "ceiling" which you homers seem to love to talk about, is being considered one of the greatest CB's in the history of the game. Especially considering that he is playing in the most pass happy era of the nfl.

Not to take anything away from Vontae, but he isn't even in the same stratosphere.

 

[nyjunc]

Typical Junc. The NY Jets are perfect! All sunshine, rainbows, and lollipops in new jersey. Face the facts, Cromartie is very suspect, both in coverage, and especially as a tackler.

Can I ask you guys a question? W/ all this superior talent how come you have 6 less reg season wins the last 2 years, how come we made 2 title games and how come Miami hasn't even competed for a playoff spot?

 

[JB1089]

There is not 1 person around the NFL (outside of the Dolphins organization) that would put Davis in the same class as Revis. Davis isn't in the top 10 yet, by any measurement. There is a class of 2 at the top, Revis and Asomugha. After that, there is a MASSIVE gap to #3, whoever you think that may be.

Football Outsiders

Top 10 Corners: Top 10

Bottom 10 Corners: Bottom 10

Success rates for corners last year (PFF success rate is defined as " the percentage of passes that don't manage to get at least 45 percent of needed yards on first down, 60 percent of needed yards on second down, or 100 percent of needed yards on third down"):

1. Revis (70%)
6. Smith (63%)
9. Cromartie (63%)
65. Davis (47%)

This isn't an end-all-be-all for cornerback evaluation, far from it. I just posted it to show that Cromartie was way better last year than almost anyone has given him credit for. They just remember the penalties against the Ravens in Week 1, and what his reputation has been in the past.

If you want to go by YPA:

Revis: 5.6 yards (11)
Cromartie: 6.0 yards (16)
Smith: 6.7 yards (29)
Davis: 7.9 yards (53)

By any measurement you want to use, Cromartie was a very good to excellent corner last year.

*Keep in mind when looking at the numbers, Revis and Davis were covering 1's, Cromartie and Smith were covering 2's (Cromartie spent 3.5 games covering 1's while Revis was injured).

Pro Football Focus

Missed tackles: PFF Scroll down to the bottom. Vontae Davis has the 12th worst tackle rate for all defensive backs over the last 3 years.

 

[Vaark]

Can I ask you guys a question? W/ all this superior talent how come you have 6 less reg season wins the last 2 years, how come we made 2 title games and how come Miami hasn't even competed for a playoff spot?

actually, we're not that gullible here to let you grab the credit for beating teams who took a knee in 09 when we both had 7 wins; conversely if the schedule worked out that we faced an already dead team walking Cinci (3-3 in prior 6 games, outscored and lost by 23 combined pts to the only 2 over .500 teams they faced in that span, MN and SD, not to mention the death of the OC's wife and their WR), and Curtis Painter's Indy, we'd have have been the 9-7 team that year whereas you'd at best be 8-8, if that.

 

[nyjunc]

actually, we're not that gullible here to let you grab the credit for beating teams who took a knee in 09 when we both had 7 wins; conversely if the schedule worked out that we faced an already dead team walking Cinci (3-3 in prior 6 games, outscored and lost by 23 combined pts to the only 2 over .500 teams they faced in that span, MN and SD, not to mention the death of the OC's wife and their WR), and Curtis Painter's Indy, we'd have have been the 9-7 team that year whereas you'd at best be 8-8, if that.

Nah, you just take credit for beating 5-6 dead teams to end 2008 and celebrate your div title before being humiliated in the playoffs.

In 2008 Miami got breaks to win the div and took advantage
In 2009 the Jets got breaks to earn a WC

The differences in the two teams is that once in postseason we proved we belonged while Miami was humiliated and we proved '09 wasn't a fluke w/ a repeat trip tot he title game while Miami hasn't been close to the playoffs in the 2 years since that div title.

 

[Etuoo33]

Miami's corners need to show it on the field, much as I hate to say it. So far they show good, not great and until they do the spectacular they can not talk.

 

[dainfamusgc]

Can I ask you guys a question? W/ all this superior talent how come you have 6 less reg season wins the last 2 years, how come we made 2 title games and how come Miami hasn't even competed for a playoff spot?

Lol jets were "lucky". Luck wins games now apparently. I'll come back just like last yr when miami is under .500, talk about delusional fans... Davis better than revis good one fellas

 

[Fin Thirteen]

I think the Jets win the CB argument hands down based on historical performance.

I have a feeling though that this season, our overall defense will finish within one rank either side of the Jets defense.

I think the Jets will slide a little to hover around the 4th-5th ranking defense. I can see us as high as 3rd and no lower than 6th (barring injury disaster).

There's not much in it between the 2 defenses and I can see our improved DL and LB corps giving our CBs more scope for improvement than the Jets front 7 will.


PS The Bucs finished last season with the 3rd ranking defense and IMO improved it over the offseason. Before we go on suicide watch over the o-line, we should remember that...

 

[Padfoot]

Tough question. If we're talking pure cover skills, I think Asomugha and Samuels take it hands down. But if we're talking the total package, I think it's a toss up between the Jets and the Packers, depending on what you value more in your corners.

Davis and Smith both have a lot of work to do before they can be considered in this conversation, but they are still quite young. Perhaps in a few years this debate will be between the Jets and the Dolphins, but not today.

 

[nyjunc]

I think the Jets win the CB argument hands down based on historical performance.

I have a feeling though that this season, our overall defense will finish within one rank either side of the Jets defense.

I think the Jets will slide a little to hover around the 4th-5th ranking defense. I can see us as high as 3rd and no lower than 6th (barring injury disaster).

There's not much in it between the 2 defenses and I can see our improved DL and LB corps giving our CBs more scope for improvement than the Jets front 7 will.


PS The Bucs finished last season with the 3rd ranking defense and IMO improved it over the offseason. Before we go on suicide watch over the o-line, we should remember that...

TB was 9th in PA and 17th in YA not 3rd.

 

[tylerdolphin]

The Eagles have the best tandem and I dont think its really all that close. Aso and Revis are very close. Lets give Revis the edge since most people with no bias tend to agree that he is the best. Still, the gap is very small. Now, you compare Samuel and Cromartie...not even close. Samuel wins that hands down IMO. So overall, the edge goes to the Eagles.

 

[Butterfrog 2.0]

I think the Eagles are far better off at CB than either Miami or the Jets. IDC what anyone says Nnamdi is every bit as good as Revis, and the Eagles 3rd CB(DRC) is better than Antonio Cromartie IMO. So Nnamdi = Revis and Samuels > Cromartie, and DRC > Cromartie. Eagles have a very envious CB situation.