Debate for the best CB tandem

[dainfamusgc]

Wow u guys are awesome i concede jets suck dolphins rule best team everrrr. Better for u guys?

 

[Phinatic8u]

If you dont make the superbowl then the season is a failure.

Who gives a **** about playoff wins if you dont make it to the big game. Stop arguing the same **** every damn thread.

And stop making threads about the Jets. **** outta here.

 

[nyjunc]

SD beat 3 playoff bound teams all of 2009 and one was the Bengals. SD was also 1 and done. You say that the Jets are elite when they make the AFCC game in 09, yet you say SD (1 and done) was better than 08 Bal (AFCC game). You are not playing by your own rules.

You say that Bal played an overmatched team in Miami, and an overrated 13-3 Tenn team to make the AFFC game. But the Jets played a mighty Bengal team, and the best 13-3 team in SD? I think not!




So missed field goals change the game, but only to benefit the Jets?
Even if you have a 23-13 lead, Manning is still going to score 17 unanswered points to make it 30-23.

SD missed the first easy field goal (37 yards) on their second possession of the game. No one scored until SD scored a TD in the second quarter. It would have been 10-0 SD. The Jets don't score until the 3rd making it 7-3 SD. Right at the end of the 3rd SD turns it over deep on there side of the field. You don't think SD plays that series a little different if it is a 2 possession game at that point? Even with the turnover and score, it would have been 10-10 had SD made the first field goal. The Jets next score is at the 7:17 mark in the 4th making the score 17-7 (17-10 with the field goal). On SD next possession they drive into field goal range, and what do you know, another missed field goal. It would have been 17-13. The Jets tried to run out the clock, but could not. SD gets the ball back and scores what could have been the game winner. I suppose this is the drive that you will claim the Jets went into prevent defense right? Isn't a prevent defense supposed to stop big plays? Why then did SD gain 11 yards, 37 yards, and 19 yards in their first 3 plays of that series?

But you say the jets aren't elite yet are crowing about Bal '08 who made 1 title game unlike the jets who validated their title app w/ a 2nd one.

SD '09 was the best team in the AFC in the reg season just like NE '10 was. The Jets are built for january and they ran into a touhg team and lost.

Ten '08 was very good but not as good as SD '09.

Miami '08 and Cincy '09 were two of the lesser playoff teams in recent years but Cincy had a much tougher road to the div title and they didn't win it in a year Ben or Flacco was hurt.

We have no idea how the game changes if we are up 23-13 and let's say everything stayed the same and it's 30-23 then we still have a chance late to tie the game, right? The bottom line is you are just being a jealous fan right now, we can discuss what if's all day but things happened and the Jets made 2 title games.

 

[The New Guy]

But you say the jets aren't elite yet are crowing about Bal '08 who made 1 title game unlike the jets who validated their title app w/ a 2nd one.

I'm not crowing over Bal, just pointing out a team you think the Jets are better than that played tougher opponents to get to the AFCC game. Bal did not have the benefit of facing a banged up Indy team, or they also make it to 2 AFCC games in 2 years.

SD '09 was the best team in the AFC in the reg season just like NE '10 was. The Jets are built for january and they ran into a touhg team and lost.

Ten '08 was very good but not as good as SD '09.

Indy was the best team in the AFC in 09. How can you say that Tenn was good, but not as good as SD? Both won 13 games. Both were 1 and done. You think just because SD lost their games earlier in the season, that makes them better? SD only won 3 games against teams with winning records. Tenn won 5 games against teams with winning records.

We have no idea how the game changes if we are up 23-13 and let's say everything stayed the same and it's 30-23 then we still have a chance late to tie the game, right? The bottom line is you are just being a jealous fan right now, we can discuss what if's all day but things happened and the Jets made 2 title games.

We do know how things would have gone based on what actually happened. I can honesty tell you that I am not jealous of the Jets becasue they have not won a Super Bowl. Sure the playoff ride is fun, and I would enjoy it if my team did it, but no one other than the fans of the team care. I'll be jealous when they win the Super Bowl. I'm not jealous of the Jets, but you are clearly biased in your view of them.

 

[nyjunc]

I'm not crowing over Bal, just pointing out a team you think the Jets are better than that played tougher opponents to get to the AFCC game. Bal did not have the benefit of facing a banged up Indy team, or they also make it to 2 AFCC games in 2 years.




Indy was the best team in the AFC in 09. How can you say that Tenn was good, but not as good as SD? Both won 13 games. Both were 1 and done. You think just because SD lost their games earlier in the season, that makes them better? SD only won 3 games against teams with winning records. Tenn won 5 games against teams with winning records.

Miami '08 and Cincy '09 were two of the lesser playoff teams in recent years but Cincy had a much tougher road to the div title and they didn't win it in a year Ben or Flacco was hurt.




We do know how things would have gone based on what actually happened. I can honesty tell you that I am not jealous of the Jets becasue they have not won a Super Bowl. Sure the playoff ride is fun, and I would enjoy it if my team did it, but no one other than the fans of the team care. I'll be jealous when they win the Super Bowl. I'm not jealous of the Jets, but you are clearly biased in your view of them.

How did they playe tougher opponents?

Cincy '09 vs. Mia '08- edge Cincy '09
SD '09 vs. ten '08- edge SD '09


Banged up Indy '10 would have destroyed healthy Miami 2008 so Bal had the easier road in '08 compared to our '09 team as well.

SD was the hottest team in the AFC and most people picked them to win(remember SD had beaten Indy each of the previous 2 postseasons).

SD won 11 straight games to end the season.



We have no idea how the game ends, what we do know is that the jets made back to abck title games beating the hottest team in the league in each of the last div rds.

 

[The New Guy]

How did they playe tougher opponents?

Cincy '09 vs. Mia '08- edge Cincy '09
SD '09 vs. ten '08- edge SD '09


Banged up Indy '10 would have destroyed healthy Miami 2008 so Bal had the easier road in '08 compared to our '09 team as well.

SD was the hottest team in the AFC and most people picked them to win(remember SD had beaten Indy each of the previous 2 postseasons).

SD won 11 straight games to end the season.



We have no idea how the game ends, what we do know is that the jets made back to abck title games beating the hottest team in the league in each of the last div rds.

I feel like I need to have MacEnroe here to say "You can't be serious!"

08 Miami was a much better team than 09 Cincy. The 08 Tenn, was better than 09 SD, but both were overrated. Bal went 11-5 and earned their spot. Bal is the better team, but the Jets have a lot of similarities. Both had a rookie qb when they made the AFCC game. Both are carried by their defense and running game. The biggest difference is Flacco is much better at this point than Sanchez.

 

[nyjunc]

I feel like I need to have MacEnroe here to say "You can't be serious!"

08 Miami was a much better team than 09 Cincy. The 08 Tenn, was better than 09 SD, but both were overrated. Bal went 11-5 and earned their spot. Bal is the better team, but the Jets have a lot of similarities. Both had a rookie qb when they made the AFCC game. Both are carried by their defense and running game. The biggest difference is Flacco is much better at this point than Sanchez.

'08 Miami beat ONE playoff bound team(an 8-8 team).
'09 Cincy beat THREE playoff bound teams

Flacco has held Baltimore back in January, sanchez has not.

Flacco is a better reg season QB, Sanchez is a MUCH better postseason QB.

 

[The New Guy]

'08 Miami beat ONE playoff bound team(an 8-8 team).
'09 Cincy beat THREE playoff bound teams

Flacco has held Baltimore back in January, sanchez has not.

Flacco is a better reg season QB, Sanchez is a MUCH better postseason QB.

Playoff bound! You do like to spin don't you? So now an 11-5 team is worse than a 9-7 team because they missed the playoffs? Miami won 4 games against teams that were 8-8 or better. Cincy won 5 games against teams that were 8-8 or better and 4 of those wins came from the 9-7 Pitt and Bal. Yet Cincy is this great team and Miami was bad.

 

[JB1089]

Playoff bound! You do like to spin don't you? So now an 11-5 team is worse than a 9-7 team because they missed the playoffs? Miami won 4 games against teams that were 8-8 or better. Cincy won 5 games against teams that were 8-8 or better and 4 of those wins came from the 9-7 Pitt and Bal. Yet Cincy is this great team and Miami was bad.

Baltimore was a very good team that year. By point differential, their expected W-L record should have been 11-5 or 12-4 (that team was unlucky, last year's Dolphins, for all the whining on this board, had an expected W-L of 6-10 based on point differential, classifying you as one of the "lucky" teams last year). The Steelers defense wasn't itself Polamalu, but beating the Steelers twice, the year after they won the Super Bowl no less, is still impressive. Just look at what they did at the start of last year without Roethlisberger.

 

[Ruby2]

No team has wanted to lay down, and lose on purpose for us, dropped INTS by the tons, or waited till the last minute of games to do something stupid, and help us get the cheap victory, like has happened for the Jets the last two year. I will give you your dues though, the Jets do seem to pickit it up in the playoffs enough to end up losing in the championship.



In the last 3 year it got us 1 division title. The Jets? 0 div titles, 0 Conference titles, 0suprebowl titles. :up: Wow, you guys are awesome.

Bigger homer, Tay or Vaark?

Your whole argument is based on coulda woulda shoulda....the definition of homerism.

 

[The New Guy]

Baltimore was a very good team that year. By point differential, their expected W-L record should have been 11-5 or 12-4 (that team was unlucky, last year's Dolphins, for all the whining on this board, had an expected W-L of 6-10 based on point differential, classifying you as one of the "lucky" teams last year). The Steelers defense wasn't itself Polamalu, but beating the Steelers twice, the year after they won the Super Bowl no less, is still impressive. Just look at what they did at the start of last year without Roethlisberger.

Winning more or less than the expected win/loss record does not necessarily mean that you were lucky or not. You have to see how the season unfolds and go from there. Bal was a good team, but not as good as they were in 08.

Sweeping Pitt after a Super Bowl win is not as impressive as it might seem. For whatever reason Pitt always has a down year after a Super Bowl win. They have missed the playoffs after a Super Bowl win 3 straight times now. In 1980 the 6-10 Bengals swept the 9-7 Steelers who had won the Super Bowl the year before. In 2006 the 8-8 Bengals almost swept the 8-8 Steelers, but lost in overtime in the last game of the season making them split the series. You already know what happened in 09. The point is, just because Cincy swept Pitt and Bal in 09 does not mean that they were a good team. Since Pitt and Bal were just 9-7 (one game from .500) You have to look at what they did outside of those games to determine what kind of team they really were. They went 1-4 against teams with a winning record.

Are you a Jets fan? If not, do you think that Cincy was a good team, and a strong playoff team in 09?

 

[Vaark]

Bigger homer, Tay or Vaark?

Your whole argument is based on coulda woulda shoulda....the definition of homerism.

My vote goes to anyone who thinks the jest "earned" their playoff spot in 09, didn't beat a dead team, held their own against the Colts when it mattered .. and likewise did not back into the playoffs in 10.

WTF? We get rid of the daytime delusionists and more jestholes crop up at night? It's like a roach motel!

 

[dlockz]

If you dont make the superbowl then the season is a failure.

Who gives a **** about playoff wins if you dont make it to the big game. Stop arguing the same **** every damn thread.

And stop making threads about the Jets. **** outta here.

wow so we are bigger failures in your eyes than most of the teams in the league

 

[JB1089]

Winning more or less than the expected win/loss record does not necessarily mean that you were lucky or not. You have to see how the season unfolds and go from there. Bal was a good team, but not as good as they were in 08.

Sweeping Pitt after a Super Bowl win is not as impressive as it might seem. For whatever reason Pitt always has a down year after a Super Bowl win. They have missed the playoffs after a Super Bowl win 3 straight times now. In 1980 the 6-10 Bengals swept the 9-7 Steelers who had won the Super Bowl the year before. In 2006 the 8-8 Bengals almost swept the 8-8 Steelers, but lost in overtime in the last game of the season making them split the series. You already know what happened in 09. The point is, just because Cincy swept Pitt and Bal in 09 does not mean that they were a good team. Since Pitt and Bal were just 9-7 (one game from .500) You have to look at what they did outside of those games to determine what kind of team they really were. They went 1-4 against teams with a winning record.

Are you a Jets fan? If not, do you think that Cincy was a good team, and a strong playoff team in 09?

Do you also think Cincy was a good team, and a strong playoff opponent?

I am a Jets fan. Were they a strong playoff opponent? No. But that's why they were playing on Wildcard Weekend. They were a legitimate playoff opponent. They were a much better team than Seattle was last year, and look what they did to New Orleans. No one, at the time, said the Bengals didn't belong. The Jets were the team that people said (and apparently still say) didn't belong.

Also, that same Baltimore team whose pedigree you're questioning destroyed the Patriots on the road in their Wildcard matchup.

If you're argument is that the Bengals weren't a great team, I'd respond by asking you what kind of team do expect to find playing in the opening round? The great teams are usually the ones that secure the byes. The Jets beat one of those teams the following week, and that was the game that validated their playoff spot to observers around the league.

If the Jets had played the Colts in the 1st round, they probably would have lost. But they didn't, and neither did anyone else. The other teams were the Ravens and the Patriots. You're really that sure that those two teams would have beaten the Jets? Were either of them as good as San Diego? No.

You can do this with teams that make the playoffs every year. Did the Seahawks belong last year? Did the Cardinals in '08? The Giants were a 6th seed in '07 when they won the Super Bowl.

Once you're in, you're in. And you can see who was "worthy" and who wasn't based on what comes after that...if you care about that kind of thing. Most people are content with "Team X made it and Team Y didn't."

 

[nyjunc]

Playoff bound! You do like to spin don't you? So now an 11-5 team is worse than a 9-7 team because they missed the playoffs? Miami won 4 games against teams that were 8-8 or better. Cincy won 5 games against teams that were 8-8 or better and 4 of those wins came from the 9-7 Pitt and Bal. Yet Cincy is this great team and Miami was bad.

not all 11-5s are equal. In 2008 our div faced creampuff scheds that fattened our records. Clearly the 9-7 Jets of '09 were better than the 11-5 dolphins of '08, Stevie Wonder could see that. #s are not always black and white, you need to understand this.

Those 4 wins '09 Cincy had against Pitt and Cincy were 4 better wins than any Miami had in 2008.

Bigger homer, Tay or Vaark?

Your whole argument is based on coulda woulda shoulda....the definition of homerism.

It's very close. I go Tay, I think vaark just goofs around.

My vote goes to anyone who thinks the jest "earned" their playoff spot in 09, didn't beat a dead team, held their own against the Colts when it mattered .. and likewise did not back into the playoffs in 10.

WTF? We get rid of the daytime delusionists and more jestholes crop up at night? It's like a roach motel!

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Putting your '09 nonsense aside, how exactly did a team that won 11 games and clinched in week 16 back in to the playoffs?

Either way, there is no such thing as backing in, you either win enough games to make it or you don't.

Now as far as teams getting an easy ride let's look at the 2008 Miami Dolphins:

Beat one playoff bound team(an 8-8 team), beat 3 teams w/ winning records all year.

4 of last 5 opponents:

2-14 SL Rams who were in middle of 10 game losing streak
7-9 Bills who were in middle of losing 8 of their last 10 and had backup JP Losman at QB
2-14 KC who were in middle of losing 11 of 12
9-7 NY Jets who had finished the season losing 4 of last 5 to choke away div(the only win we had came when Buf was trying to run out the clock and fumbled while we picked it up and ran for GW TD).

Yeah, this was much more difficult than a qtr and a half of Indy backups:lol2: