Deep Throws

[So Be]

In today's Mondo article, Wallace said that there were times last year when he could have come back to make a play on ball, and there are times when RT had to throw on the run or under pressure. You can't step into the throw when this is going on. Then there was Philbin's comment on WR's having to be in the right place, with Wallace not being directly mentioned.

I'm not putting all the blame on Wallace, and these problem should be very correctable in his second season here.

 

[So Be]

To be fair, it's still the offseason, technically.

Yeah but, I think we all understood what was intended, and not done.

 

[Mike13]

No one has mentioned that being sacked so many times so quickly behind such a crappy line might have added to the timing problem. Ya think?

The lack of protection definitely contributed to the lack of successful deep pass plays.

 

[Sarnics13]

Doesn't necessarily mean it's Wallace's fault though. Unless being too fast is a fault. It could just be Tannehill not being able to judge his speed well.

Though to me it seems like a mix of Tannehill, Wallace, and retarded play calling at fault.

IMHO this is really all it is. RT has had zero problem throwing perfectly targeted passes to everyone else. Wallace is just so fast he wasn't getting the timing down. Fixable...

 

[So Be]

Here's some interesting stuff on Wallace with Big Ben for their last three years together.

2012- Wallace caught 6 of 31 over 20 with 2 drops. Ben hit 32% at #29. Both had injuries. I think we throw that one out.

2011- Wallace caught 10 of 27 with 2 drops. Ben hit 33% and was #17, which was identical to Tannehill last year.

2010- Wallace caught 15 if 37 with 1 drop. Ben hit 46%. This is what we are looking for.

While in Pitt, Wallace did more on other passes, was moved around more , and scored more, which we also now expect.

 

[truedolfan57]

Yeah but, I think we all understood what was intended, and not done.

Um, maybe the fans or just people on this site speculated that when Wallace said they need to work in the offseason, that he meant on their time off, when what he meant the whole time, was during next offseasons training camp and ota's.

 

[LANGER72]

The problem in 2013 was the offensive line. RT didn't have the time, or he had happy feet in the pocket. That will effect the down field throw more than anything.
I do not think we will see any major improvement this year with the deep ball because the oline is not settled. It will take a couple more years.
I will be happy to see this offense score 24-27 points a game running the ball and up tempo passing.

 

[twix2500]

Pass blocking was terrible....... I dont care if you had Jeff Blake throwing deep balls back there. Some of you make it more complicated than it really is.

 

[NRA]

we heard all this same stuff when BRANDON MARSHALL was here.

he was a diva. he couldnt run routes. he wouldnt fight for the ball. he wouldnt come back to help his qb [the awsome chad henne].

he had 3 td's his final season in miami. then goes to the pro bowl and has 4 td's, one more than he had all season with the dolphins and is named mvp!!

the reason? quality qb's at the probowl, no chad henny. if wallace were released tomorrow, he would land in new england or seattle or san fran and would be double digit td's again.

tanny has a massive issue hitting guys deep [and where is the proof of all these guys tanny hits "down field" other than wallace]. and wallace is the only guy we have that can actually get DEEP and has the speed to do it so again, all this "he hits everyone else deep" is nonsense.

and i agree with the above poster who said, "this isnt complicated, your all over thinking this". plus, if anyone would look at the games from last year, tanny is responsible for a LOT of the sacks the o-line was blamed for. yeah, the o-line was stinky, but, tanny didnt help matters by continually holding on to the ball to long and showing iffy pocket presence.

people just refuse to believe tanny has some issues and is a part of things not right with the offense.

 

[awfulwaffle]

we heard all this same stuff when BRANDON MARSHALL was here.

he was a diva. he couldnt run routes. he wouldnt fight for the ball. he wouldnt come back to help his qb [the awsome chad henne].

he had 3 td's his final season in miami. then goes to the pro bowl and has 4 td's, one more than he had all season with the dolphins and is named mvp!!

the reason? quality qb's at the probowl, no chad henny. if wallace were released tomorrow, he would land in new england or seattle or san fran and would be double digit td's again.

tanny has a massive issue hitting guys deep [and where is the proof of all these guys tanny hits "down field" other than wallace]. and wallace is the only guy we have that can actually get DEEP and has the speed to do it so again, all this "he hits everyone else deep" is nonsense.

and i agree with the above poster who said, "this isnt complicated, your all over thinking this". plus, if anyone would look at the games from last year, tanny is responsible for a LOT of the sacks the o-line was blamed for. yeah, the o-line was stinky, but, tanny didnt help matters by continually holding on to the ball to long and showing iffy pocket presence.

people just refuse to believe tanny has some issues and is a part of things not right with the offense.

This. If Wallace was on another team with a better QB his numbers would be much better. I don't know why people can think it's Wallace and not Tanny that is the problem.

 

[PhinFan1968]

This. If Wallace was on another team with a better QB his numbers would be much better. I don't know why people can think it's Wallace and not Tanny that is the problem.

Wallace's numbers last year weren't far off from his Pittsburgh average. And that's with his QB being sacked 58 times. I don't know why people can't see it as consistent to who he is. It ain't like he was all-world at Pittsburgh...even if we paid him like he was.

 

[NBP81]

we heard all this same stuff when BRANDON MARSHALL was here.

he was a diva. he couldnt run routes. he wouldnt fight for the ball. he wouldnt come back to help his qb [the awsome chad henne].

he had 3 td's his final season in miami. then goes to the pro bowl and has 4 td's, one more than he had all season with the dolphins and is named mvp!!

the reason? quality qb's at the probowl, no chad henny. if wallace were released tomorrow, he would land in new england or seattle or san fran and would be double digit td's again.

tanny has a massive issue hitting guys deep [and where is the proof of all these guys tanny hits "down field" other than wallace]. and wallace is the only guy we have that can actually get DEEP and has the speed to do it so again, all this "he hits everyone else deep" is nonsense.

and i agree with the above poster who said, "this isnt complicated, your all over thinking this". plus, if anyone would look at the games from last year, tanny is responsible for a LOT of the sacks the o-line was blamed for. yeah, the o-line was stinky, but, tanny didnt help matters by continually holding on to the ball to long and showing iffy pocket presence.

people just refuse to believe tanny has some issues and is a part of things not right with the offense.

LOLWUT?? There are stats in this very thread showing that Tannehill is hitting Hartline close to 50% on deep throws... So Tannehill is capable of hitting the guy who "cant" get deep 50% of the time but fails to hit the specialist... Makes sense...

 

[Dolphin North]

Not saying this is the case here but, we have all seen many a deep throw by many QB's being thrown short intestinally to allow a WR to come back for it. That may have happened a few times, don't know, but the QB and WR have to be on the same page, and RT/Wallace were not. RT and Hartline seem to know what the other is thinking, and it really shows. If Wallace come close to that in his second year, we are in good shape.

If "short intestinally" means that Tannehill has no guts, I disagree. I think he's pretty tough!
j/k

I think Tannehill, hesitates on some throws, wait, no, I am sure about that part as I have seen it (middle of the field with traffic...not sure if and when his guy will come open. But I wonder if deep to Wallace may be another spot where he hesitates. It could be as simple as a trust thing. Trusting Wallace to get open - with more experience he could maybe read the leverage Wallace has on the CB earlier, and judging all of the moving parts like a safety on his way over to help the CB. Wallace is not a big receiver that you can just heave it up there and expect him to win a physical battle in the air. It's just not what he does. Cutler has 2 of those for example which helps him. So the QB would want to know. Maybe Tannehill doesn't know soon enough yet. Maybe he doesn't trust himself to know is Wallace will be open. I'm not sure, I'm just thinking of it as a possibility. But it would explain the ball arriving late, which would be an under throw most times.

Hesitation would also explain Philbin saying he should just "let it go" late last year. Meaning, "Trust what you see kid."

 

[Nawledge]

I totally disagree. I'm a Tannehill supporter but too often it looked like Wallace was waiting for the ball to come down and enabled the defender to break it up. Roethlisberger was good at throwing the deep pass to Wallace. I really don't think that Mike is the problem.

So why can Tanny hit other receivers deep...explain that...I've seen him hit Hartline, clay, Gibson and matthews all deep with nice throws so tell me how Wallace isn't the problem or at least A PART OF the problem?