Defense Wins Championships. 3/4 of the remaining teams . . . .

[jason_taylor]

Two elite QBs left in the playoffs.

Two average QBs left in the playoffs...both better than Matt Moore.

No one ever said you didn't need defense to win.

By the way, 49ers put up 36 points. Saints put up 32. Giants put up 37. Patriots put up 45.

Offense, offense, offense.

i agree but it wasnt defence that beat greenbay it was droped passes in critical downs and then when droped passes got them in a hole then is where the int came in play because rogers started trying to do to much with lil time/.

 

[ojmcduffy]

You guys have to give up and admit the giants got a vicous pass rush. The giant are going to win the super bowl because they got hot and healthy at the right time. Much like the packers of last season who didn't even win their division. Rodger was trying to do to much with to little time because the pass rusher was killing him.

 

[Valandui]

3/4 teams also have first round QBs, including two that were taken first overall. This fact is not irrelevant.

 

[flynryan15]

Lets ignore the fact that!


A. Smith 300 yds 3tds 0 int


E. Manning 330 yds 3 tds 1 int


T. Brady 363 yds 6 tds 1 int


That had no effect on their games

 

[NBP81]

I think what he means is, franchise QB or not, we're not winning the super bowl with our defense status quo. And if we move up the draft to pick up one of the top 2 QB in this draft, the price will be steep enough to prevent us from upgrading several holes on the team...

 

[NRA]

ALL of the teams left trying for that superbowl appearance ALL had MORE POINTS at the end of their games. their OFFENSES were better.

POINTS win championships. they win ALL games, regular season, pre season, playoffs and superbowl. points come from the OFFENSE!

he with the MOST POINTS at the end of the game WINS. this "defense wins championships is the most archaic, unfounded statement EVER in sports.

 

[NY8123]

I have said this time and time again it isn't defense and it isn't offense alone that wins, it is balance. Balanced teams win hands down but the defense pundits are right about one thing, you need to have a solid QB to lead the opposite side of the effort. If this seasons playoffs have proven anything it is that one dimensional teams (Denver) will never march through the playoffs without luck on their side.

The dismantling by Tom Brady was long over due for the Broncos.

The loss by Green Bay and the Saints also proves if you live by the sword you can die by it also, the announcers brought up a point that I have been preaching all along, you get into a shootout with a scrappy team and one mistake can cost you the win if your defense can not stop the opposing offense.

You don't need the 2000 Ravens defense or the 2007 New England offense to win Super Bowls, it helps to have a star studded roster but both teams relied on one overall strength to win outright, one did one didn't, it becomes a coin flip. Balanced teams will always have the advantage, they have more ability to overcome mistakes. The advantage to shut down a turnover or come back and score if the turnover leads to points. One dimensional teams must play perfectly in that dimension for 3 or 4 games in the playoffs to win but the level of play is usually just too good to overcome shortcomings in the post season.

Now for the homers and naysayers, Miami isn't balanced at all. There are some gaps on D especially at the Safety position and opposite Wake at OLB. The offense looked much improved this past year but like a said in a prior post, we traded a 500lb wife for a 200lb wife, she isn't a 120lbs of sweet curvy goodness yet.

Miami can get there in one off-season, good enough to make a run anyways and in two off-seasons they can be good enough to challenge for it all but you have to make sure you have a solid coach and a good QB, two things Miami doesn't have compared to the rest of this seasons playoff teams.

 

[2413fanphins]

3/4 of the teams left also have a first round quarterback.....

 

[Ilovemyfins4eva]

3/4 of the teams left also have a first round quarterback.....

ya and flacco and smith are playing anything like a first round draft pick. although i do like flacco as a qb.

smith has been **** and this is his 7th year in the nfl, and for a 1st overall pick that is totally inexcusable to take so long to develop.

 

[flynryan15]

ya and flacco and smith are playing anything like a first round draft pick. although i do like flacco as a qb.

smith has been **** and this is his 7th year in the nfl, and for a 1st overall pick that is totally inexcusable to take so long to develop.

The kid has had 7 different OCs and 7 different systems in 7 years that is not only a excuse it is fact. Qbs dont develop in those circumstances!

 

[ChrisHanson]

no, my point is that you dont need such a highly touted qb to win playoff football games.

check how many points people like us or other squads put up on any given sunday. without that D they would not have been in the game.

prior to this year - if we traded for flacco or smith, esp smith, everyone this board would be crying about it. now all the sudden they are average but "better than matt moore" seems like people are just preparing for what to complain about on draft day.

also - look into how many of those points came off of turnovers from the defense.

merge me if you'd like with the other thread i wasnt really thinking. sorry.

and the thing i always say but phins fans wont get - new england won before they were an offensive juggernaught and lost when they were.

Minny lost in 97

Miami never won 1 with Dan Marino.

not discrediting the importance of a QB, but pointing out that trading the whole team for one, just b/c mel kiper likes him, isnt going to guarantee you anything, and maybe wont ever pay off.

Brady has never won one without at least a top 5 defense.

I also started a thread about this in the "General" forums...sorry, didn't see this one.

 

[bigmiamifan]

Sorry, but defense didn't score 2 TDs in 2 minutes for the 49ers. Defense didn't throw up a hail marry TD pass just before the half. Defense didn't score 45 points against god's son.

You NEED a good defense sure, but just as well when you are going up against another good defense, you need a good OFFENSE as well. Winners are balanced.

 

[ChrisHanson]

Two elite QBs left in the playoffs.

Two average QBs left in the playoffs...both better than Matt Moore.

No one ever said you didn't need defense to win.

By the way, 49ers put up 36 points. Saints put up 32. Giants put up 37. Patriots put up 45.

Offense, offense, offense.

How does what I bolded/underlined prove anything? I mean, he talked about the defenses of the winning teams and you brought up the points their offense scored? Why not look at the scores of the losing teams? Out of the 9 losing teams, only 3 scored more than 20 points. That's defense.

 

[ChrisHanson]

Sorry, but defense didn't score 2 TDs in 2 minutes for the 49ers. Defense didn't throw up a hail marry TD pass just before the half. Defense didn't score 45 points against god's son.

You NEED a good defense sure, but just as well when you are going up against another good defense, you need a good OFFENSE as well. Winners are balanced.

No, but a bad defense gave up 2 TD's in 2 minutes. Allow a Hail mary. And gave up 45 points.

 

[bigvince75]

3/4 of the remaining teams have TOP defenses. Granted, the Giants were lower in rankings than ussual this season, with everyone healthy they are once again a strong defensive squad.

The Giants won b/c they were able to get turn overs and knock aaron rodgers around.

The 9ers got 5 turnovers and laid the wood on the saints all day.

Baltimore of course came up big on D when it counted.

Only the pats remain.

What does this say? It DOES NOT say that a QB and high powered offense is irrelevant. No, every one of the remaining teams (except maybe balt) also have capable offenses that could come through in the clutch when it counted, and could also make plays, HOWEVER. the reason these teams won was b/c when it counted, their DEFENSE was able to hold high powered offenses down long enough to give their team a chance, and with a chance, almost any team in this league can win ball games.

what it does say is that DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS. you may have glitz and records with just an offense, but when it counts most you still need one of the top 10 defenses just like you need a top 10 QB to make it in this league.

one thing i do find interesting is that Joe Flacco and Alex SMith (despite what debbie downers want to cry about) are comparable to most average QBs, be in matt moore, be it a second round draft pick etc. limited mistakes, and good supporting cast can win ball games. Eli wasnt in 07 what he is now btw. and that 07 superbowl was another example of this.

what im sayin is that with the dolphins - our solid D, if it can produce turn overs, and our play makers in place on offense - we can CONTEND (not necessarily be superbowl bound) RIGHT NOW. We just need a HC with some fire and a good idea about how to use what we have (harbaugh in san fran.)

for the rest of the league - it says that all this crap they are trying to pull and all the speculation taht "defense doesnt matter its an all offense league now" is not really true.

and mark my words - tom brady and the pats with that weak defense and that new gimmick double TE/Mighty midget offense will not win the super bowl. if Balt is too weak to stack up, NY and San Fran can and prob. will beat them.


that is all.

The Patriots defense was ranked 15th in points allowed and is finally the healthiest it's been all seasons. It's a better defense than the Saints and performance wise was better than the Packers. I don't know how the 2 TE set is a gimmick offense, it's not like they're using the wildcat; and seeing as how defenses can't seem to stop it I'm all for them using it in the playoffs.