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All Super Bowl winning teams have a top 3 defense unless you have Tom Brady as QB. Our new GM needs to build a top 3 defense through FA, and let the Philbin draft what he needs on offense.
 
GREAT defenses win championships.
 
Tom Brady hasnt win a super bowl since Patriots got caught cheating it doesnt matter who your QB is
 
WRONG a TEAM wins a championship... takes total effort and passion with discipline to get through all the troubles and tribulations of a full season. Marino was probably the best, but without all the other parts coming together it didnt work. and dont think for a second that he doesnt sit there sometimes and be like damn if only etc... etc... etc.... happened that year..
 
timmash44 said:
All Super Bowl winning teams have a top 3 defense unless you have Tom Brady as QB. Our new GM needs to build a top 3 defense through FA, and let the Philbin draft what he needs on offense.
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Really?

The “defense wins championships” motto doesn’t seem to hold up, to no surprise; the average Super Bowl champ has ranked outside of the top five in points allowed, and outside the top ten over the last decade.
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http://www.footballperspective.com/super-bowl-metrics/

Now, here's something that does a good job of explaining a lot of what we saw last Sunday:

By either metric, Seattle has one of the top five pass defenses of the last 64 years. And for good reason: cornerback Richard Sherman and safety Earl Thomas were both selected as first-team All-Pros by the Associated Press, and safety Kam Chancellor was named to the Pro Bowl. Defensive linemen Michael Bennett, Cliff Avril, and Brandon Mebane had outstanding years, Bruce Irvin and Chris Clemons are great edge rushers, and linebacker K.J. Wright had been very good in pass coverage, too, before missing the final three games of the season (will be interesting to see how this impacts the plan to stop Jimmy Graham on Saturday). This is a pass defense without a weakness, and I think, after accounting for era, it’s the second best since at least 1970.
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http://www.footballperspective.com/putting-the-2013-seahawks-pass-defense-in-perspective/

It's pass defense, in today's game, that's critically important.
 
In the not to distant past, miami has had the running game and a "good" defense and yet couldnt win the games it needed to. lots other things have to come together for a team to win the big game. the fish havent had that since the early 1970's.
 
Awesome defenses can dominate the Super Bowl. It's one of the most breathtaking events in all of sports. I still have no idea how anybody can call this year's version a dull game. We might not see that type of defensive dominance again for 15 or 20 years, unless the Seahawks do it again, which is unlikely. I'm not convinced that Goodell won't take steps to eliminate that type of defense.

BTW, it's actually unfair to the great defenses of all time to use 1989 Denver as an example. That's the team that is credited with a loss, in the #1 offense vs. #1 defense category. The '89 Broncos were hard trying and able to handle the weaker offenses very well. They had an impressive points per game allowed. But nobody was scared of that defense. Their raw yards per attempt allowed was very ordinary at 6.4, before adjustment due to interceptions. They allowed more than 20 points in both playoff games before the Super Bowl. Terrific defenses don't do that.

I was working at the Horseshoe sportsbook that year. We intentionally opened San Francisco higher than anyone else in town in the Super Bowl. We used -11.5 while others were at -10.5 or -11. We wanted Denver money. Within hours the famous gambler Billy Walters called the sportsbook office and berated us. He was a very good friend of owner Jack Binion and was working as sort of a sportsbook consultant. It was shady all the way. I've detailed some of it on this site previously, but not nearly all of it. Anyway, Billy insisted that we move the number down. He wanted us to be lower than anyone in town, not higher. He told us to change to -10. Billy asserted that, "the correct number on this game is 49ers -3." The sportsbook manager and I tried to restrain laughter. Luckily he stuck to his guns and we kept the -11.5 on the board.

Billy Walters was undaunted. The following day he showed up in person, again insisting that the number was too high. One criteria he used was Denver's defense, emphasizing that it was one of the all time best, and no way a defense of that caliber can get +11.5 points in the Super Bowl. I was newly in tune with yards per attempt in those years. I told Billy that 6.4 was unremarkable and that San Francisco with Montana and Rice at their peak were more than likely to chew up a pass defense allowing 6.4 yards per attempt. Heck, Bubby Brister had Pittsburgh 10 points clear of Denver at Mile High in the first half of Denver's opening playoff game.

As you can imagine, we had quite a bit of fun at Billy's expense in the sportsbook office as the score mounted in that Super Bowl. "Did he say 3 or 33?" :lol:
 
This years Superbowl was entertaining in a Mike Tyson in his prime boxes a 10 year old sort of way. In other words, not really at all entertaining.
 
timmash44 said:
All Super Bowl winning teams have a top 3 defense unless you have Tom Brady as QB. Our new GM needs to build a top 3 defense through FA, and let the Philbin draft what he needs on offense.
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I'm betting that you made that up, as it is no where near true. Why bother to post absolute nonsense? I don't get it. Comical. LOL
 
Awsi Dooger said:
Awesome defenses can dominate the Super Bowl. It's one of the most breathtaking events in all of sports. I still have no idea how anybody can call this year's version a dull game. We might not see that type of defensive dominance again for 15 or 20 years, unless the Seahawks do it again, which is unlikely. I'm not convinced that Goodell won't take steps to eliminate that type of defense.

BTW, it's actually unfair to the great defenses of all time to use 1989 Denver as an example. That's the team that is credited with a loss, in the #1 offense vs. #1 defense category. The '89 Broncos were hard trying and able to handle the weaker offenses very well. They had an impressive points per game allowed. But nobody was scared of that defense. Their raw yards per attempt allowed was very ordinary at 6.4, before adjustment due to interceptions. They allowed more than 20 points in both playoff games before the Super Bowl. Terrific defenses don't do that.

I was working at the Horseshoe sportsbook that year. We intentionally opened San Francisco higher than anyone else in town in the Super Bowl. We used -11.5 while others were at -10.5 or -11. We wanted Denver money. Within hours the famous gambler Billy Walters called the sportsbook office and berated us. He was a very good friend of owner Jack Binion and was working as sort of a sportsbook consultant. It was shady all the way. I've detailed some of it on this site previously, but not nearly all of it. Anyway, Billy insisted that we move the number down. He wanted us to be lower than anyone in town, not higher. He told us to change to -10. Billy asserted that, "the correct number on this game is 49ers -3." The sportsbook manager and I tried to restrain laughter. Luckily he stuck to his guns and we kept the -11.5 on the board.

Billy Walters was undaunted. The following day he showed up in person, again insisting that the number was too high. One criteria he used was Denver's defense, emphasizing that it was one of the all time best, and no way a defense of that caliber can get +11.5 points in the Super Bowl. I was newly in tune with yards per attempt in those years. I told Billy that 6.4 was unremarkable and that San Francisco with Montana and Rice at their peak were more than likely to chew up a pass defense allowing 6.4 yards per attempt. Heck, Bubby Brister had Pittsburgh 10 points clear of Denver at Mile High in the first half of Denver's opening playoff game.

As you can imagine, we had quite a bit of fun at Billy's expense in the sportsbook office as the score mounted in that Super Bowl. "Did he say 3 or 33?" :lol:
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Honestly the most interesting story I've read on this site. Another poster in a different thread was starting to get into the details of playoff adjusted YPPA and how it was 7-3 in this years playoff and I was trying to get some more information on it but he disappeared from the thread. Could you shed any light on that or link me to any good reads on it.
 
If you have a smothering defense like the Hawks, then it works, but less than that and it's questionable. Great offenses can still pick even really good defenses apart.

I think you need a top offense and premium QB. Then add a very good defense to that, and you're going to the Superbowl.

Denver's problem was that they rode the Manning train and got exposed. They didn't have enough playmakers and as good as he is, Manning is old-school, he has absolutely no mobility.

I think we should continue to build our team through the draft, with an emphasis on the offensive side of the ball. Then, Tannehill either develops or doesn't, and in another year or two if a QB is available in the draft that will be the missing piece, then we get him. You don't always have to START with a QB and build around him. At any stage, if you see your QB you draft him. Look at Kaepernick, he was the missing piece for the 49ers', they had a whole team built up around him, he just stepped in. Then they got a premium WR for him. Wilson has a team around him as well, even more so in his case.

Philbin is sneaky, and obviously a survivor, and I wouldn't put it past him to produce enough wins on this team to stay here for a few more years. In the meantime, I think he's not as hooked to Tannehill's fate as much as we think. I wouldn't put it past Philbin to replace Tannehill in a heartbeat if he needs to.
 
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