yah ok...holliday is better then ogun. great intelligence you have. how is traylor washed up? what is he...like 35? its called breaking down. even john clayton said the fins are desperate and thats why they signed him to a 2 year deal. holliday hasnt done anything since his packer days. he had like 5 sacks 2 years ago but 3 of them were in one game against the chargers and your very own damion mcintosh
Defensive Line Taking Form
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Philter25
MORE COWBELL!!!
KB21 said:
Personally I would like to see Roth as the DE opposite of Taylor
Carter - Romero
Traylor - Chester
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Larry Chester worked hard last year to get into powerful football shape. He watched what he ate ( a big sacrifice for him ) and was poised to have a very good year.
Unfortunately for him and for the team he suffered a season ending injury. He now is in a position to heal and not have to start. I have read the reports but have little to go beside that , so I can't say where he is in that vein.
Even if he he takes the first quarter of the season to get back to where he was or close to it , then we have solid depth.
We still will need to address this position long term , but Chester could be very very solid the last 2/3 rds of this season. Romero and Zgonia are at least servicable and can be productive in a rotation. Vickerson is a bonus , any value he gives will be a plus this season , he does have the p word though.... potential.
With Traylor signing we are not "in need " on the defensive line.... Now I think we will add another D back , once again I expect most d backs that become available to look very very favourably at wanting to play in Miami.
On an unrelated note , does anyone know if one year contracted players count when sign they elsewhere the following year? ( for compensatory consideration )I did read that , but not where it was emphatic. That would just be an additional bonus for Miami...
Unfortunately for him and for the team he suffered a season ending injury. He now is in a position to heal and not have to start. I have read the reports but have little to go beside that , so I can't say where he is in that vein.
Even if he he takes the first quarter of the season to get back to where he was or close to it , then we have solid depth.
We still will need to address this position long term , but Chester could be very very solid the last 2/3 rds of this season. Romero and Zgonia are at least servicable and can be productive in a rotation. Vickerson is a bonus , any value he gives will be a plus this season , he does have the p word though.... potential.
With Traylor signing we are not "in need " on the defensive line.... Now I think we will add another D back , once again I expect most d backs that become available to look very very favourably at wanting to play in Miami.
On an unrelated note , does anyone know if one year contracted players count when sign they elsewhere the following year? ( for compensatory consideration )I did read that , but not where it was emphatic. That would just be an additional bonus for Miami...
phinfan77
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Very nice post KB. I'm surprised the "we should have drafted Wilfork" people to come out.
inFINSible
Don't believe everything you think.
Running on the Fins may not get the job done.juventus said:
Have you seen the offense being put together down here?
I expect that more than a few teams are going to be playing catch-up football to Miami this year.
phunwin
The name's Bond...James Bond.
Philter25 said:
I agree. I'm really hoping Roth wins the job opposite Taylor. Holliday is a good run stuffer, but he can't get to the passer. Maybe we'll see Roth start out as a 3rd down pass rusher. In fact, I'd almost rather see Holliday put on 20 pounds and move inside.
And I'm still concerned about our DT situation, even with Traylor's signing. I don't really view Kevin Carter as an every down DT; I'd much rather see him rotate between DE and DT according to the situation. Assuming Timbo retires (and that's looking like a good possibility), we really need Chester to come back healthy, or at least enough to rotate in for 20-30 snaps per game.
inFINSible
Don't believe everything you think.
Holiday=Mixonphunwin said:
Roth=LoBro.
Neither one is a three down player this year.
phunwin
The name's Bond...James Bond.
inFINSible said:
Good point.
Ohiophinphan
Practice Squad
I believe Traylor will be the RDT. In Sabans offset 4-3 defense the RDT is more over the center than the LDT. Jason Taylor will then be more likely to be heads up on the OLT with the option of going inside or out. In the 3-4, Traylor will be the NT for now until we hear about Chester.
The nickle defensive line is in good shape with Carter and Holliday able to move inside in a 4-3 and still provide a good push up the middle. That will give us Roth and/or DBo to play outside on the left. The trick will be getting opposing offenses into a third and long. For that we will need guys like Chester and Traylor inside on a regular basis. I don't think Carter is big ehough to hold up against OG's for four downs.
Vickerson was listed by a number of draft guides as a top ten NT. He will likely be brought along behind Traylor who is at best a two year band-aid. If Vickerson does pan out and develops then the problem could be a lot less than many of us think!
Part of my trouble with examining the defense is that I'm still trying to get my head around the new schemes. For years we have wanted huge DT's to clog up the middle and let Zach flow to the play. That is not the new style yet I admit to still wanting to judge talent by those parameters. Reminds me of the year JJ took over and installed his D. Took me a while to understand the changes from Shula's system and the new personnel nuances.
The nickle defensive line is in good shape with Carter and Holliday able to move inside in a 4-3 and still provide a good push up the middle. That will give us Roth and/or DBo to play outside on the left. The trick will be getting opposing offenses into a third and long. For that we will need guys like Chester and Traylor inside on a regular basis. I don't think Carter is big ehough to hold up against OG's for four downs.
Vickerson was listed by a number of draft guides as a top ten NT. He will likely be brought along behind Traylor who is at best a two year band-aid. If Vickerson does pan out and develops then the problem could be a lot less than many of us think!
Part of my trouble with examining the defense is that I'm still trying to get my head around the new schemes. For years we have wanted huge DT's to clog up the middle and let Zach flow to the play. That is not the new style yet I admit to still wanting to judge talent by those parameters. Reminds me of the year JJ took over and installed his D. Took me a while to understand the changes from Shula's system and the new personnel nuances.
Kevin Carter is going to start at LE dont know where or why guys keep thinking he is going to play inside in the base "D"?
He will play tackle on passing downs but not in base defense, so you need to rework your line depth with that in mind.
whats a more realistic depth chart is :
RE-Taylor/bowens
DT-Chester/Holliday/Romaro
DT-Trayloy/Zganina/Vickerson
LE-Carter/Roth
Until we see some practice or games, there is a chance that the dolphins might use their bigger DT's(chester, Traylor, T.Bowens) over the center in their over/under shifted defensive fronts & use their quicker DT's(zgonina, Romaro, Holliday) to play the 3 technique on the guards shoulder.
In passing downs look for the best pass rushers.... Taylor, Roth, Carter & Holliday on most passing downs.
Thats my opinion and dont mean to sound ****y but all you guys that have K.Carter playing DT in baes are wrong.
He will play tackle on passing downs but not in base defense, so you need to rework your line depth with that in mind.
whats a more realistic depth chart is :
RE-Taylor/bowens
DT-Chester/Holliday/Romaro
DT-Trayloy/Zganina/Vickerson
LE-Carter/Roth
Until we see some practice or games, there is a chance that the dolphins might use their bigger DT's(chester, Traylor, T.Bowens) over the center in their over/under shifted defensive fronts & use their quicker DT's(zgonina, Romaro, Holliday) to play the 3 technique on the guards shoulder.
In passing downs look for the best pass rushers.... Taylor, Roth, Carter & Holliday on most passing downs.
Thats my opinion and dont mean to sound ****y but all you guys that have K.Carter playing DT in baes are wrong.
NJ_Fin_Fan
Living the Dream
phinian said:
Yeah, that'd be so much better than having him help us win games at the vet. min. :/
NJ_Fin_Fan
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juventus said:
"it doesnt have take a genius" Obviously not.
NJ_Fin_Fan
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juventus said:
- He said Carter, not Holliday.
- Age isn't the only factor
- If you value John Clayton's opinion, I don't value yours
NJ_Fin_Fan
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inFINSible said:
Excellent point, inFINS.