Developmental League
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a development squad would have to be done HERE in the states and fully supported by the nfl for actually DEVELOPING PLAYERS and not chumming the waters [you really think the nfl had NO interest in europian football pro teams?].
yourope noes not have the fan base for actual nfl PROS and europe cant support that much less pay money to support their local scrub team.
i mean think about it........, you a guy/gal in europe. you get this shiny knew american football practice team. ok, kinda cool, maybe with a few pints for motivation. a guy in amsterdam, who is making european wages [that half goes for socialist programs] and his/hers entertainment dollar is stretched. come saturday night, our amsterdam friend is thinking, Oh, ik heb alleen deze hoeveelheid geld. moet ik kopen een praktijk squad ticket of moet ik kopen nieuwe hash pipe? Moet ik kopen bastiaan geert jersey of moet ik kaartjes kopen en verbindingen voor de concert XYSTUS?
TRANSLATION: oh, i have only this amount of money. do i buy a practice squad ticket or do i buy that new hash pipe? do i buy that bastiaan geert jersey or do buy tickets and joints for the XYSTUS concert?
there just wasnt the money from fans or through the practice league to support it. now, here in america with u.s. dollars that the owners and nfl have copious amounts of and dont have to worry about litigations and european economy, plane tickets, heavy socialist taxation, bad drug tests, etc..... . it could be much more productive and useful here as the teams gm's and scouts stay home, close to the squads and really watch their players.
if its done that way, here in america, i am all for it. and ask for volunteers from nfl players to come in periodically to do drills the players and see how they are matching up to nfl veterans and not just other practice squad/walk on talent. a mini, 2x a season, at start and finish. mini combine!
yourope noes not have the fan base for actual nfl PROS and europe cant support that much less pay money to support their local scrub team.
i mean think about it........, you a guy/gal in europe. you get this shiny knew american football practice team. ok, kinda cool, maybe with a few pints for motivation. a guy in amsterdam, who is making european wages [that half goes for socialist programs] and his/hers entertainment dollar is stretched. come saturday night, our amsterdam friend is thinking, Oh, ik heb alleen deze hoeveelheid geld. moet ik kopen een praktijk squad ticket of moet ik kopen nieuwe hash pipe? Moet ik kopen bastiaan geert jersey of moet ik kaartjes kopen en verbindingen voor de concert XYSTUS?
TRANSLATION: oh, i have only this amount of money. do i buy a practice squad ticket or do i buy that new hash pipe? do i buy that bastiaan geert jersey or do buy tickets and joints for the XYSTUS concert?
there just wasnt the money from fans or through the practice league to support it. now, here in america with u.s. dollars that the owners and nfl have copious amounts of and dont have to worry about litigations and european economy, plane tickets, heavy socialist taxation, bad drug tests, etc..... . it could be much more productive and useful here as the teams gm's and scouts stay home, close to the squads and really watch their players.
if its done that way, here in america, i am all for it. and ask for volunteers from nfl players to come in periodically to do drills the players and see how they are matching up to nfl veterans and not just other practice squad/walk on talent. a mini, 2x a season, at start and finish. mini combine!
were you not being high and mighty by chastising the o/p? we already know, but i thought it fun to ask.
and you STILL did not answer my question. dodging are we? i mean, you laid it out on him, well, where is it? i would actually like to read it myself as i support something like this under the right circumstances. and if there truly is "20 pages of it, i am REALY interested.
it just gets me when i see posters say things like " this is a dumb thread, why is everyone posting in it" [when they have just posted in it].
or, like you did, chastise a guy for asking a question and instead of using the keyboard time to answer his question, you bellyached about not going to some 20 page thread on the subject.
and not saying there isnt one, you just would have come off better and enriched the thread by providing a link for this phone book size development thread.
so carry on with all the last words. this wasnt a call out or flame, just an observation and some constructive criticism.
and my "soap box"? its oiled up and ready to go when ever needed.
The NFL doesn't work as well in Europe, because American football doesn't resonate with their history or culture. In terms of game play, it's almost the opposite of Futbol. The NFL game is a series of short bursts that consistently stop and start - a series of sprints, compared to the marathon that is Futbol. I believe American football to be the superior product, but it's much more difficult to initiate onesself as a fan or player. Most of us on this board were born into our love for the NFL and/or college football. In Europe, where people are born into Futbol, you can argue that they don't know what they're missing, but they don't seem to care that they're missing it. I don't think socialist taxes have anything to do with it one way or the other.
DisturbedShifty
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were you not being high and mighty by chastising the o/p? we already know, but i thought it fun to ask.
and you STILL did not answer my question. dodging are we? i mean, you laid it out on him, well, where is it? i would actually like to read it myself as i support something like this under the right circumstances. and if there truly is "20 pages of it, i am REALY interested.
it just gets me when i see posters say things like " this is a dumb thread, why is everyone posting in it" [when they have just posted in it].
or, like you did, chastise a guy for asking a question and instead of using the keyboard time to answer his question, you bellyached about not going to some 20 page thread on the subject.
and not saying there isnt one, you just would have come off better and enriched the thread by providing a link for this phone book size development thread.
so carry on with all the last words. this wasnt a call out or flame, just an observation and some constructive criticism.
and my "soap box"? its oiled up and ready to go when ever needed.
Actually, if you weren't so busy being a dick, you'd have realized that it was a legitimate question. I wasn't trying to be an ass. I remember debating sometime ago. I just couldn't remember the name of the thread. Nor did I want to look it up because, here's a shocker, I was being lazy. I was hoping someone else that had debated it would tell me if we did or did not.
However I did find it. I was wrong, It was eight pages long.
By the way. Is it tiring being a Internet Policeman?
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Incorrect. USFL did great til they moved it to that time frame.
This is complete nonsense. The European audience has clearly shown that they do appreciate American Football - just because people like one sport (e.g. Soccer) does not mean that they cannot appreciate another sport on its own merits. The English watch cricket, which takes five days and usually ends in a draw. The next day they watch soccer.
In fact the original World League was on its way to being a huge success in Europe - it was the US teams that had the problem. The World League had credibility to European fans, even though it was below NFL level - it was played internationally in large stadiums, televised internationally and most fans were prepared to overlook the quality difference.
The failure was bringing it back as NFL Europe. A six team league, playing in smaller soccer stadiums and without any US involvement lacked credibility - whereas the World League was a large scale concept that people thought could grow, NFL Europe was obviously a cut price developmental system. The World League seemed to European fans as just a notch below having an NFL team - NFL Europe was never anything like that.
Sadly, if the NFL had stuck with the original World League concept they would have made a fortune by now. But they were arrogant - they forgot that in any new league, half the teams will be losers and that they will struggle for crowd support and probably will need to move. They thought that just because it was an NFL league, people would show up anyway. The successful World League teams did have strong success in gaining crowds. At the time, international pay TV was not a big factor - if they had hung on it would have been a great success.
The problem the NFL have is that they already found the correct answer to international expansion but bottled it and don't want to accept that fact - they like to pretend that the World League and NFL Europe were the same thing, which they most defiantly were not. The London Monarchs of the World League used to average 35,000 - in NFL Europe they struggled to get 10,000 and went bust - fans knew it was a far inferior product. They now thrash around (again) with regular season games here, the promise of a franchise there, but it will never go anywhere. There will not be an NFL franchise outside of North America/Mexico, and eventually UK fans will get tired of the odd game as they did with the American Bowl. For an organisation that has been astute growing the game in the US, they have been abject in their international strategy over almost 30 years.
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I think American fans relate to their OWN team, and are dying in the long offseason to watch anything related to THEIR team. So the way this would work the best (IMO) is to have a minor league team wear the same uniforms and have the same colors and mascots, the Birmingham Bears, Las Vegas Vikings, Richmod Raiders, Durham Dolphins etc. If you wanted to have them in the same state closer to the Major league team that would be fine also.
You can bet your tail, if the Durham Dolphins were playing the Charleston jets I would be yelling like a mad man for some 2nd rate QB to lead us to the win. Would it matter that it wasn't Tom Brady and Peyton Manning, of course it would, but watching Joe Smoe would be better than watching baseball or NASCAR.
From the time the dolphins season is over on the last week of the regular season to the first preseason football game, I am in a state of trying to distract myself from how long the wait is until my life is back to normal during the next football season. The draft and free agency help a little but not enough. I would LOVE to get to watch anyone wearing a dolphins jersey playing football.
They are always worried about how much the young college players aren't ready for the NFL until their Jr or Sr season well let them add a rule that stated you couldn't enter the draft after your 2nd year unless you played the minor league for a year. If you drafted a player after his Jr yr he could go straight to the majors, but Sophmores would have to play minor league a season. Some players just don't want anything to do with college, this would give them a chance to get paid doing what they love for the minor leagues rather than playing for free for a college team that isn't willing to pay them.
Jus some ideas, not very well thought out, but it was the first things that came to my mind on the subject. Good nite
You can bet your tail, if the Durham Dolphins were playing the Charleston jets I would be yelling like a mad man for some 2nd rate QB to lead us to the win. Would it matter that it wasn't Tom Brady and Peyton Manning, of course it would, but watching Joe Smoe would be better than watching baseball or NASCAR.
From the time the dolphins season is over on the last week of the regular season to the first preseason football game, I am in a state of trying to distract myself from how long the wait is until my life is back to normal during the next football season. The draft and free agency help a little but not enough. I would LOVE to get to watch anyone wearing a dolphins jersey playing football.
They are always worried about how much the young college players aren't ready for the NFL until their Jr or Sr season well let them add a rule that stated you couldn't enter the draft after your 2nd year unless you played the minor league for a year. If you drafted a player after his Jr yr he could go straight to the majors, but Sophmores would have to play minor league a season. Some players just don't want anything to do with college, this would give them a chance to get paid doing what they love for the minor leagues rather than playing for free for a college team that isn't willing to pay them.
Jus some ideas, not very well thought out, but it was the first things that came to my mind on the subject. Good nite
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USFL had top draft picks, players drafted in top rounds.
The USFL could not compete when apples to apples. A developmental league is not apples.
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Also fans understood the difference between the Shield, and some sideshow.
I was a young fan then, and paid very little mind to the USFL.
As did millions of other fans.
Fins_of_Fury
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The problem is demand, say they do create a spring league and football is on year round essentially, the fan base no longer maintains the same level of excitement and commitment to the pro games. You never want your supply to exceed demand.
GoonBoss
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They should do away with the NCAA monopoly. It's clear you're not ready to go into the NFL out of HS, BUT
if there was a D-Leauge.....
-Shorter season
-Maybe a 4 year maximum time you could be alloted to a team
-All the teams kick in
-Season would begin shortly after the SB.
if there was a D-Leauge.....
-Shorter season
-Maybe a 4 year maximum time you could be alloted to a team
-All the teams kick in
-Season would begin shortly after the SB.
GoonBoss
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The problem is not demand. The NFL is making money hand over fist. The could pay guys whatever ammount of money, and
it's more than what they'd get in College. Thus, it ruins the monopoly and puts collegiate athletics back to
being collegiate athletics. The NFL could afford it, and it's a primary advertising vehicle, allowing a 12 month a year
news cycle for the NFL.