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Did Dennis Hickey nail this draft?
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Taking linemen in the first correlates with losers? So DJ Fluker was a bad pick by a poorly run organization? Chip Kelly is a stupid-head?
let's wait till they start producing, but it's been awhile since we've heard about this many rookies (both undrafted and drafted) making positive impressions in camp.
Ireland has had a handful of good picks out of 6 years worth of drafts. Hickey has one draft and we are already discussing this draft as being one of the best in a decade. I dont recall ever having this much positivity for any of Irelands draft classes this early in a season.
Still too early too tell for us, but it could be a solid draft with 2 or 3 potential starters...James, Landry, and Turner/Tripp
After watching the Jags game last night, I think its safe to say they nailed it, even after just 2 preseason games.
After watching the Jags game last night, I think its safe to say they nailed it, even after just 2 preseason games.
Yep...with one pick in particular...big win for them IMHO.
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Way too early to know for sure but from the camp reports, it sounds like the best draft in awhile. Hickey is grabbing guys off he street that are out-performing 2nd and 3rd round picks from a couple years ago.
Finomenal, Spesh, you are entitled to your opinions but if you say that we're two steps behind all other 31 teams in the league just because history says it is so and you try to back it up with some media articles praising players who have not played a single down in the NFL yet (by the way similar articles exist for Dolphins rookies as well but you somehow choose to ignore them), then I will not share your opinions because in my opinion your reasoning is total bull****. History also suggests that the Bills will lose in the Super Bowl, yet somehow they still to reach that game every year.
My point is: let it play out and see what happens. We're only one game into the PRE season and we're already drawing conclusions? Come on...
My point is: let it play out and see what happens. We're only one game into the PRE season and we're already drawing conclusions? Come on...
The draft looks promising. James looks like he'll be a solid RT, Landry I think will make an impact this year, I think Turner could win a starting job next year if not later this year, I'm intrigued by what Tripp can become. I think Tripp, with an off season getting stronger and more adjustment to the speed of the NFL, will push for a starting spot next year. Aikens seems to be settling in at Safety. Fede may have been a real find in the 7th. Normally if you hit on 2 or 3 of 7 drafted players you're about league average. We've got James, Landry, Turner and possibly Tripp as guys that can either start or make an impact on the team...that's really good. Fede could develop into a really good backup, he's athletic, instinctive and has a high motor...just needs a lot of work on technique. Aikens I'm not so sure about but reports are the light is starting to come on and Coyle is pretty good developing DBs so we'll see.
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Agreed but I expect Dion Sims will be camped out next to James quite a bit in 2014. After all we didn't back up the Brinks truck for Brandon Albert to park the TE next to him.
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If James, Turner, Tripp , and Landry are good-to-great then yes. Right now its too early but I'll give the draft class a B for now.
I'm still waiting for us to draft an immediate impact player like a Luke Kuechly, Robert Quinn, Alfred Morris, Desmond Trufant, Sheldon Richardson, Cordarelle Patterson, Tyrann Mathieu, etc. We don't have enough young talent.
I'm still waiting for us to draft an immediate impact player like a Luke Kuechly, Robert Quinn, Alfred Morris, Desmond Trufant, Sheldon Richardson, Cordarelle Patterson, Tyrann Mathieu, etc. We don't have enough young talent.
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Agreed. Let's compare the last few drafts.
2011- Pouncey Clay and Wilson. Two VG starters, and a good slot cover who likely starts this year.
2012- Tannehill, Vernon, Miller, and Matthews. This is their tell tale year but, all look like good picks, at least.
2013- Taylor, Dallas, Davis, Sims, and Jordan. I'm not sure what to think of Jordan but, the others were labeled busts by a number of fans, and now getting good reports.
Will 2014 be better than any or all of the above? I don't see it but, time will tell.
While coaches and Gm's absolutely deserve the blame for dropping the ball, the owners are the ones that give those individuals the jobs in the first place.
Ross passed on, among others, Mike McCoy to hire Joe Philbin. Ross also failed to convince Jeff Fisher and Jim Harbaught to join...to say nothing of the disaster that was our GM search. Im still not sure what the hell happened there, especially after potential candidates we hired took jobs with lesser roles than the one we did.
Huizenga made even worse decisions, even though his logic was a lot more sound. We can start with the hires he made:
Jimmy Johnson was a incredible successful coach and had a personal interest in South Florida(college coaching).
Dave Wannstedt was Jimmy's hand picked heir and had experience.
Nick Saban was a coach everyone wanted.
Cam Cameron was highly respected for leading a extremely successful Chargers offense to success.
Bill Parcells achieved some measure of success every place he landed.
None of those were insane hires. Obviously mistakes in hindsight, but only in hindsight. In my opinion Huizenga's major crime was passing over Ken Whisenhunt and Mike Tomlin for Cameron(god that hurts), but, again, it did have some measure of logic involved.
Until we get a savvy owner who understands the business that is football we likely wont have much success. Which is one of the major reasons why i was praying the politicans of South Florida would slap down Ross' stadium renovations, as the man is more interested in hosting a Superbowl than this team going to one, his dreams being dashed would have lead to the possibility that he would sell to someone capable of hiring a competent regime. But, much to the approval of many, Ross was able to pass the renovations. Now we are stuck with him for another decade.
My one last hope is that Ross goes after Harbaugh again after this season. Unless Harbaugh wins the Superbowl, there seems to be a legitimate chance of prying him loose from them. Unfortunately it would cost us a busload of draft picks. But what can you do.
Sorry but I disagree with you that The Garbageman was a more well-meaning fail than Ross. To the contrary, IMO Ross, unlike Wayne, despite his missteps and miscalculations actually has the team's best interests at heart, not merely doing enough to fill enough seats to be profitable and build up the team's equity for sale if and when a democrat was elected to high office.
Remember how Wayne earned his money and bones. It was in the sanitation industry, and when you build a company like Waste Management from scratch, due to industry "influences" you've gotten dirty rolling in the dirt building it and then expanding it. So in that regard, he's less trustworthy than Ross who made his bones in a clean industry using skill and brains instead of the obvious alternatives. And in that regard, do you really think if Ross owned the Marlins, after winning the world championship he would have conducted a clearance sale, skeletonizing a championship team to pare cost to the bone? I think not. And while you may say the Marlins were irrelevant to the Fins, I say that a leopard doesn't change its spots.
Hiring JJ on paper was good. Letting JJ turn the position into a part time job, putting his butt boy Wanny, a terrible HC in Chicago (didn't they have parades when he was fired? And being "fired" is there a job from which he hasn't been since?) in de facto charge of the team while he fished and drank in the Keys was all on Wayne. So was taking the easy way out by not doing his due diligence on Dave, instead letting JJ, the guy who bamboozled him in the first place, foist his worthless friend on the team permanently cuz it was the path of least resistance since the team was mostly winning and filling seats. And didn't it take a concerted losing effort to finally get him to fire Wanny? How could Ross have been less proactive than that? Even with Sparano!
Yes, we were all excited to bring Saban in. And I can't say that The Garbageman didn't bend over backwards to accommodate his every wish aside from paying him a Kings Ran$om, building the bubble and letting him hire all the assistants he wanted to the point where the Fins led the league in Assistant Coaches! And sure it looked like it paid off. That's of course at least until Scott Linehan got hired as a HC and proved to be the difference between being slightly over average to more than slightly below average. And then when Saban lied and interviewed beyond the team's back? If The Garbageman had any balls, conviction or really cared, he'd not have permitted him to breach the contract, insisted he prove himself after all the accommodations and you know Saban would have, since another bad season would have tarnished his "legacy" all the more. Instead he hired Cam.
Parcells? Yes although reactive, it was a good idea. Again Wayne saw the political writing on the wall, and having decided to sell the team if the Dems won, already with a few disastrous seasons and hemorrhaging attendance, he needed to hire someone like Parcells to provide hope and maximize his equity in the team. It was not done out of a desire to succeed as a fan but out of necessity. And of course when he did bail, he left Ross saddled with The Tuna, his compensation and his rotting "tree" which started the new owner off with as big a handicap as has Ray Charles with a gold club!
The difference is that Wayne went through the motions to be just good enough so long as attendance held up while Steve is a fan wants to win the SB but just doesn't know how how to do it, and until recently relied on the wrong peeps to help him.
Just my 2cents
Yes it can take three years, but if you have to wait three years you didn't nail it. We shall see!