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Did Miami Under or Over Perform Last Season?

My point is no one was talking about the Ol heading into the last 2 weeks. all the controversy was behind them at that point. yes they stunk at Buf but they did a great job against us and the controversy returned b/c of the teams play on the field. Had you won one of those 2 games the book is written completely different, it is about what a great job they did to overcome distractions and they did until the final 2 crucial weeks.

Untrue that no one was talking about it. I had said the OL was bull**** all year and I wasn't the only one. It wasn't their doing for the loss vs. the Jets though, I've never said anything different. The Dolphins weren't going to do anything in the playoffs had they gotten there anyway b/c they were and are average.
 
Not only that but Tannehill got banged up in the Buffalo game thanks to our horrible o-line play. His argument is ridiculous anyway, Geno played a good game once so that must mean their QB troubles were behind them...

The Buffalo game might have been the worst I'd ever seen Miami play. They had 50 yards of offense into the 3rd quarter. They were literally doing nothing.
 
I apologize for stating a fact. we won the tiebreaker, we finished in 2nd place, you finished in 3rd place.

http://www.nfl.com/standings?category=div&season=2013-REG&split=Overall

I hope you bought the runner-up banner the Jets had up on NFL.com in the offseason. It had to of been very meaningful to accomplish it.

The funny thing is if you look at the numbers, the Dolphins had 27 more pts scored and had given up 52 less pts than the Jets as well as having 7 more TDs and a 7-5 conference record to the Jets 5-7 and the Jets still finish "ahead" of them.

It's like two midgets trying to ride the ferris wheel at the fair despite not being tall enough.
 
As Daytona Fin pointed out, the 6.5 was an outlier and available at only one spot -- Cantor Gaming -- and only in the early going. My two friends and I played it after some hesitation and missing the early juice. We found out later that another group planned to play it later in the day. We apparently beat them by only a few hours. It was worth a dime apiece. This year Cantor not only dropped their limit on that prop but they aren't agreeing to raise the limit for regular customers. Normally you can manage that type of advantage if you are a known regular customer and will give them business throughout the year.

Las Vegas sportsbooks make mistakes. Sometimes blatant mistakes. I've tried to emphasize that over the years but for some reason the preferred reputation of all-seeing and all-knowing prevails on message boards and elsewhere. People want to believe that if Las Vegas hangs a number, then that's the perfect number and all kinds of sophistication went into the process. Meanwhile, it's often one guy assigned to a particular category and he's at home munching on pizza while deciding what numbers to use. His biases go into the process. The Cantor guy conceded last year that the Dolphins were closer to 7.5 based on mathematical application of the projected pointspreads but he decided to use 6.5. That's called shading the number.

Unfortunately the mistakes aren't as prevalent as they used to be. That's why I'm no longer in town full time. Neither are many of my friends from that era. We got spoiled by knowledge that certain sportsbooks would always screw up the same categories, like forgetting that college basketball over/unders are not balanced by half. The second half is higher scoring by more than 10%. Some books would butcher that at the start of every season. Nowadays with all the corporate mergers, and emphasis on a conservative approach from upper management, the gaffes are rarely available and you have to actually pick winners. Where's the fun in that? I liked it better when it was off the cuff, like the Dunes sportsbook manager throwing hockey totals on the board within minutes of me asking him what happened to them, on the first day of the playoffs. Then I had to restrain laughter when he threw them up 1.5 or 2 goals higher on every game than Gary Austin's was dealing them down the Strip. They were the only two joints booking hockey totals in that era, mid '80s.

Anyway, as Walrus and ckparrothead pointed out, the Dolphin stats last year equated to a lower number of wins than we achieved. There are many versions of that. The ones I looked at, and some I compiled myself, generally pointed to 7.2 to 7.5 wins when blended.

It's hardly true that the sportsbooks would have plummeted the number to 5 or thereabouts if the Martin saga were already underway, or somehow could have been forecast. As always, happy adjusters have poor instincts and take it too far. The power rating was in the 7.5 range so that's where it would have stayed. Public money forced the closing number to 8 wins, and most spots with juice on the over.

I would say Tannehill underachieved, regardless of the offensive line or other variables. His base number should be considerably above 6.66 yards per attempt. Some of that was self inflicted and can be reasonably expected to improve in 2014. We didn't run the ball often enough, nor utilize play action or snaps from under center nearly as much as we should have, given a quarterback on Tannehill's level. I spotlighted those variables prior to last season. They make sense for young moderate quarterbacks, not merely Tannehill's specific skill set.

We also underachieved in the Jets game to end the season. The Bills game a week earlier made sense but there were several factors pointing to an uptick performance against the Jets. Actually there were indications both ways. None of them were as negative as our effort that day.

BTW, it's interesting that so many posters remember that 6.5, and it was actually rounded down to 6 in the OP. Very much representative of human nature. Nobody preferred to emphasize the fact that the number closed 8, and it was 8 long before the start of the season. My dad the psychology and sociology professor used to talk about that all the time, the need for people to feel slighted and then joyous that they overcame the dismissal. It shows up in politics all the time. A winning candidate and his handlers invariably love to spotlight an early outlier poll. We were down by 8 points, they'll exclaim, often from the podium itself during the winner's speech, and on the political talk shows. Disregard that the cherry picked poll was not representative of the state of the race at any point in time.

Sorry for the mistake at 6. I remembered wining the $1,000 more than the half point but, did mention the adjustment to 8. :)
 
I hope you bought the runner-up banner the Jets had up on NFL.com in the offseason. It had to of been very meaningful to accomplish it.

The funny thing is if you look at the numbers, the Dolphins had 27 more pts scored and had given up 52 less pts than the Jets as well as having 7 more TDs and a 7-5 conference record to the Jets 5-7 and the Jets still finish "ahead" of them.

It's like two midgets trying to ride the ferris wheel at the fair despite not being tall enough.

Jets got away with a couple last year. They nearly lost to a Josh Freeman led Bucs team until the Jets got a questionable personal foul their way and Folk kicked a 48 yard field goal and then against the Pats with a penalty on a field goal by a rule never called before in an NFL game. The same rule that the Ravens broke against us the week before.

Junc will have some kind of "logic" to explain all this though.
 
Ryan tannehill did not play well in the first half of the first bills game admittedly but he bounced back well throwing for 3 tds in the second half and the lead and the protection absolutely let us down in the clutch...bottom line

The same crappy online that is looking at 5 new starters for week 1 less than a year later and spent 50 mil on a left tackle in free agency and devoted two of its top 3 picks even on the unit...
 
Ryan tannehill did not play well in the first half of the first bills game admittedly but he bounced back well throwing for 3 tds in the second half and the lead and the protection absolutely let us down in the clutch...bottom line

The Baltimore game as well.
 
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Buffalo dline dominated our oline in the trenches...that's why they swept us...very simple
Buffalo has a great DL, that's just a fact. And they had us woefully out talented vs. our OL, which is also obvious.

But, when a defense always knows what your snap count is and whether the play is a run or pass ... like both the Jets and Bills did at the end of the season, offenses get dominated. We have neither San Francisco's OL nor Larry Csonka. Our offense never stood a chance. This year it will be a fair fight.
 
:lol: :lol: @ arguing about who was the better 8-8 team.

I am not arguing about anything. I am simply stating a fact, the crappy Jets finished ahead of the great Miami Dolphins last year.

Jets got away with a couple last year. They nearly lost to a Josh Freeman led Bucs team until the Jets got a questionable personal foul their way and Folk kicked a 48 yard field goal and then against the Pats with a penalty on a field goal by a rule never called before in an NFL game. The same rule that the Ravens broke against us the week before.

Junc will have some kind of "logic" to explain all this though.

That happens w/ every team, Miami "got away w/" a few games too and in the NE game they called back a TD on the tiniest push you will ever see, something they rarely call or that game doesn;t even get to OT.

Ryan tannehill did not play well in the first half of the first bills game admittedly but he bounced back well throwing for 3 tds in the second half and the lead and the protection absolutely let us down in the clutch...bottom line

The same crappy online that is looking at 5 new starters for week 1 less than a year later and spent 50 mil on a left tackle in free agency and devoted two of its top 3 picks even on the unit...

The only way Buf could win that game was if Miami turned it over setting up Buf for a leading FG. Ryan cannot turn it over in that spot under any circumstances which is exactly what he did.

The Baltimore game as well.

The game that wouldn't have been close late if not for Miami's D scoring a TD to tie it?

Buffalo has a great DL, that's just a fact. And they had us woefully out talented vs. our OL, which is also obvious.

But, when a defense always knows what your snap count is and whether the play is a run or pass ... like both the Jets and Bills did at the end of the season, offenses get dominated. We have neither San Francisco's OL nor Larry Csonka. Our offense never stood a chance. This year it will be a fair fight.

we didn't dominate your O, our D didn't even play very well. Your O(and specifically your QB) made it easy for our D.
 
The Defense underperformed - they were soft up the middle most of the year

The Offense underperformed - Tannehill could not connect on deep passes,
The O-line was a mess
The Offense could NOT close out games, they could NOT convert in the 4th quarter I'm referring to the games we WON.
even when we won it came down to the wire because they could not grind out the clock on O when we had every advantage
with regard to field position and time left in the game.

The coaches probably broke even IMHO, the head coach handled the Martin fiasco very well, but he did not have the team ready after the bye and was not able to come up with effective game plans for the Bills.

either the quality control guys did not do their job well, or Sherman consistently misjudged the talent level of his linemen versus the schemes and plays being called
 
more of same this season, 7-9/8-8... Philbin out!

Right on Dude. 3rd year, he's a nice guy blah blah blah. Time to motivate men, be a captain. Spank New England at home. Tired of losing and people making excuses about the O line year in and year out. We just paid for Ja'Wuan James and Branden Albert for Left Tackle. Tannehill either has it, or he does not. Let's spank New England at Home and go from there, but if we finish mediocre for 14 out of the last 15 years, is a new Owner, Jim Harbaugh, QB available? Why are we the only team who can't improve?
 
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