dlockz
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People that judge a qb soley on wins just don't realize that more than Qb affects win loss record. Matt Ryan did not have a horrible year yet the Falcons had a horrible year.
Did Ryan Tannehill Improve Statistically in 2013?
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People that judge a qb soley on wins just don't realize that more than Qb affects win loss record. Matt Ryan did not have a horrible year yet the Falcons had a horrible year.
Canadianfishfan
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Wins are what ultimately are important. There are plenty of players (Barry Saunders) who never got far in the playoffs.
Did RT improve? Sure, but he certainly regressed in the final 2 games. If we're talking about Tannehill.
Did the rest of the team and coaching regress? Sure.
Phinatic8u
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You would think Miami fans would understand the need for a complete team, and not pin everything on the qb.
you dont get an average due to sample size. i think the key thing to look at is his yards per attempt. that went down from constantly being pressured. tannehill is a good qb, but i think he would benefit from a better rushing attack. which would benefit from a better line. with no rushing game to speak of he was constantly under pressure because no one respected the pass.
dlockz
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No, because many of the people here think Belicheck is an average coach at best that has just been lucky because Tom Brady is the only one responsible for those wins.
Even Brady would not be good with a record setting bad oline. I doubt Brady has ever been sacked 60 times in a season
He was pressured on 2.8% more of his dropbacks in 2013 than in 2012, which equated to 19 more of the 661 he took.
Djavelin
Head Dolphin In This Pod
He did much better. Has more to grow and learn. 100% he improved.
Well, if you want a comparison, right now Tannehill's career numbers are virtually identical to Kyle Orton in all the major categories. Go right down the line, from yards per attempt to adjusted yards per attempt to touchdown percentage to interception percentage to yards per completion to quarterback rating. He's either identical to Orton's career numbers in every category or within a few tenths.
That's the level he's on right now, whether we want to accept it or not. Not coincidentally, Tannehill and Orton are also very close in win percentage, with Orton at 35-35 and Tannehill at 15-17.
Tannehill is one percent higher in career completion percentage, mid 59 to Orton's mid 58.
As I posted after we defeated New England, even Tannehill's so-called hot streak of 5 or 6 games wasn't very good. He was more below average in the final two games than he's ever been above average.
That's the level he's on right now, whether we want to accept it or not. Not coincidentally, Tannehill and Orton are also very close in win percentage, with Orton at 35-35 and Tannehill at 15-17.
Tannehill is one percent higher in career completion percentage, mid 59 to Orton's mid 58.
As I posted after we defeated New England, even Tannehill's so-called hot streak of 5 or 6 games wasn't very good. He was more below average in the final two games than he's ever been above average.
Miami finished 10th in PA, of the nine teams above them, only 3 madfe the playoffs: NE, NO and Denver.... So yeah unless you have Manning, Brady or Brees, you`re going to have to run the ball a bit more if you want to have success. And while Shouright will tell me the running game isn't correlated to Tannehill stats, it is with the W/L record and frankly, if we make the playoffs the 1000 threads scapegoating Tannehill never happen...
I think everyone knows that RIGHT NOW Tannehill is average, everyone expects him to improve and rightfully so. Will he? who knows, but lets compare him to Ortons 70 games when he has actually played 70 games... Wouldn't that make more sense...?
Sure, but what does making the playoffs by the skin of one's teeth in a mere one season have to do with whether a team has the kind of quarterback it needs to be highly competitive year in, year out?
In other words, the presence or absence of "scapegoating threads" based on present "good or bad feel" has nothing to do with the reality of the situation surrounding the quarterback position. Surely we shouldn't be measuring the adequacy of our quarterback play by the presence or absence of certain kinds of threads on a message board.
Oh it doesn't prove anything, Im just saying the offense strategy was seriously flawed, pair that with a weak OL and a second year QB, I just think it`d be very unrealistic expect perennial contenders out of this team at this point... Edit: All of those issues are correctable, QB can improve as its only his second year, OL can improve with good management, and the offense strategy could be a lot more effective with the right person calling the shots...
2413fanphins
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Did Shourights thread making ability, improve, statistically in 2013???
JTC111
Viva la resistance!!!
You can't get the full measure of a qb by stats alone. Tannehill has certainly improved in some areas, however, there are still some areas that need much more improvement before I'm comfortable putting the "franchise" label on him or including him in conversations with the better qbs in the league. Pocket awareness, the ability to avoid sacks, the ability to effectively look off receivers to create isolation situations, decision-making, and consistency are all areas in need of a lot of improvement yet. Can he work past all those things? It will take time to see.
Right now, RT is our best option. I think we stick with him a little while longer for a couple of reasons: first, we have too many holes to fill and don't have the luxury of being able to waste a pick or significant cap space on another qb. Second, RT has played limited time at the qb position so the possibility that he may develop into a much better qb is still in play. If, in the next year or two, we have most of the holes successfully plugged, we might consider drafting another qb should a good option fall into our laps but for now, as I said, RT is our best option.
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Much like our team, it remains stagnant.
just having a little fun with you there, shouright
Right now, RT is our best option. I think we stick with him a little while longer for a couple of reasons: first, we have too many holes to fill and don't have the luxury of being able to waste a pick or significant cap space on another qb. Second, RT has played limited time at the qb position so the possibility that he may develop into a much better qb is still in play. If, in the next year or two, we have most of the holes successfully plugged, we might consider drafting another qb should a good option fall into our laps but for now, as I said, RT is our best option.
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Much like our team, it remains stagnant.
just having a little fun with you there, shouright
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Four 4th quarter comebacks balanced by 35th in 4th quarter passer rating. Digest that if you will. 35TH.
I don't think there's any doubt he'll be back for year three, but honestly, his improvement needs to be much, much better than this.
I don't think there's any doubt he'll be back for year three, but honestly, his improvement needs to be much, much better than this.